Dialects and lazy speech - there is a difference

The merchant of Essex.

Miss A I understood that perfectly. Really can't abide snobs. Is Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet) on this thread?

I thought standard English was a way of writing that acknowledges the standard form, and ensuring that people are able to apply the principles when reading or writing.

I didn't write "Ere, me old mucker, ave you eard about the quali'y ov mercy not bein strained? Yeah! It droppev as the gen'le rain..."

* anything else

But the phrase, speak 'properly' implies that anything isn't proper. Which is a load of bo**ocks. It's all just language. If we are communicating well, the language is working fine.

Sigh indeed Aveline, I concur. I prefer Esspee's thread

There is such a thing as standard English, Received Pronunciation if you like. It’s no good pretending there isn’t. If you have half an ear, you know it when you hear it. It isn’t snobbish to prefer it to regional accents. There’s a lot of inverted snobbery on this thread.

The attitude to regional accents changed in the sixties, when there was a minor revolution in social attitudes in general. It coincided with the Beatles, though whether they were the cause of it or the result is debatable. Before that, in the 1950s, as I remember it people tried to speak ‘properly’, at least in the middle classes. I remember a girl at school being devastated when somebody implied she had a northern accent. By the sixties, some people put on a non-standard accent if they didn’t already have one.

Sigh.

I noticed that some people on tv (anywhere, actually) say TWENNY TWENNY two. It's lazy and sounds stupid.

We had a doctor once who spoke like JRM. He came to the house once when my son aged about 12 was ill.
When he saw him he said in JRM accent "Oh bad show!"

I never worked out whether it was sympathy or insult.

This is regional English, in a place I used to work in.

A divvnt knar.

Haway wi wa

Ironically, I also taught a boy in Spain who spoke that dialect.

Nearly but the cuddy is a donkey.

Nae far I'm fae.

Well, I wouldn't start reeling out a load of rhyming slang, but then who would?
It would be completely Pete Tong!

volver

^Has anyone ever seen a horse jump over a five-bar gate^??

I use that in everyday interactions all the time.

Nearly but the cuddy is a donkey. The Elderly farmer when we first moved asked me if I was a marra or an assa marra two other parts of the county different to where we live. When I talk to him I talk in dialect but if I had to phone a stranger I would hope to use my best spoken English.

Ere! Knock it off!
I ain't got a scooby what you're on abaat!

The aberration which most irritates me is the r which is added into words such as drawring instead of drawing or idear instead of idea.

MissAdventure

A horse I saw jamp one regularly.

Jamp?

Or Jumpit?

Or Lowpit?

?

Oi! Turn it up!

You mean reg’lar. You’re bein too proper like.

Yammy

One person on T.V and radio speaks with my regional accent but does not use regional words and that's Melvyn Bragg though even his accent is a bit standardised. I think we should all keep our accents but what is the point of talking in dialect if most countries cannot understand you.
"Hast thou ever seen a cuddy lope ower a five-barred yat'.
Does anyone understand it may be some Scots grannies?

I’m a Scottish granny and I had no problem reading that Yammy.

A horse I saw jamp one regularly.

MissAdventure

In what respect does that make a difference?
Knowing.
Knowin.

If we had a chat in the phone, or you heard it on tv, its simple to know what is being said.

If someone said knowin in my part of the world I would assume the person was not at home.

Has anyone ever seen a horse jump over a five-bar gate??

I use that in everyday interactions all the time.

Yeah, I seen it wiv me own mince pies, me old China!
It was radio rental!