Duke of Windsor - Traitor

Up till the marriage of George V1th to Scottish Elizabeth B-L, the R.F were 100% German. From George 1st to George V1th, they married Germans, the only exception was Edward V11th who married Princess Alexandra of Denmark but even she was born of German parents, her father, a minor German Prince was invited by the major European powers to succeed his 2nd cousin Frederick 11, as king Christian 1X of Denmark, and her brother was appointed to beome George 1st of Greece. Now of course, without exception, the RF have married well away from their former German roots.

Galaxy

Perceptions will also have changed with regard to personal relationships. If there is truth with regard to threatening suicide to make someone stay that would be viewed very differently today.

That's true Charles and Camilla wouldn't have gone the way it has, she would have been kept in the background and he couldn't have married her.

Perceptions will also have changed with regard to personal relationships. If there is truth with regard to threatening suicide to make someone stay that would be viewed very differently today.

Funny how perceptions of the D of Windsor have changed over the years. He was seen as the "playboy prince" (I've danced with a man who danced with a girl who danced with the Prince of Wales), then he did get involved with traveling to communities suffering in the Great Depression and it was thought he was developing socialist tendencies. One of the things that attracted him to Hitler was the idea that he had solved Germany's economic problems. In fact many people supported Hitler up to 1939 and even later. It now seems fashionable to call him a traitor.
He undoubtedly disapproved of war, he had served in WW1. And of course the RF are half German.

That book is apparently brilliant, and enlightening!

Thank you. I've ordered a book about her to my Kindle, by Anna Pasternak, who featured in the Ch4 programme

from, not for! grrrr!

After all these years correspondence and diary entrances have come to light especially from society people Lady Diana Cooper, Harold Nicholson, Duff Cooper and so on, that make fascinating reading, Once Edward V111,not V11th, became so obsessed with her, even threatening suicide if she left him, Wallis became extremely suffocated and bored by him and confided in friends that she wished she had put a stop to the affair way back. She had numerous affairs after their marriage, even periods of separation but she couldn't shake him!! Frankly I think we owe her a deal of gratitude for removing this weak petulant, and it now turns out, treacherous man, for the throne.

Jaberwok

I agree biglouis ,the Duke was a very complex, weak character, easily flattered and totally obsessed by Wallis. Poor woman having embarked on what she and her husband, judging by others, believed would be a short lived affair,found herself embroiled with a man who became obsessed to the point of insanity that he threw everything over for her even threatening suicide. I expect she loved him up to a point,but it must have been a burden for her. Yes, King George was lucky with his wife, as Charles is with Camilla and William is with Catherine.

I watched the programme yesterday. Quite shocking, really.

However, I am interested to know where the information about Wallis Simpson only believing her affair with Edward VII would be a "fling", has come from. Was it in a book, or another TV programme? I'd like to follow up on this, as I've only ever heard the view that she was a femme fatale who caused the downfall of the King.

True so researching is pointless really , Victoria adored Albert ,
but did she ?

We have no idea what goes on in marriages though do we that's why it's a very difficult area to research. Just because a marriage is long doesnt mean it is good or does not include infidelity.

Yes parents behaviour do have an impact on their children , could be the reason Diana had so many affairs, her mother did leave their father for another man, Charles Spencer three wives, yet their two sisters long marriages

I think its not too controversial to say that the parents behaviour (in whatever aspect of life) will have an impact on children.
I imagine it's a very interesting area of study, so it would be quite easy to say for example that Johnsons behaviours are caused by his childhood (and I frequently do say that!) but from what I can see the behaviour of his siblings is not particularly chaotic.

I certainly do not believe adultery is inherited down generations

Research into this is in its early stages, so nothing definite but apparently there does seem to be a genetic tendency. Edward V11th was massively into adultery as were the sons of George 111rd, his g.uncles. George.111rd however, was not, nor was George Vth or V1th. I don't think HM has ever cast her eye, and Prince Philip doesn't really come into this as he was not a direct Hanoverian. I think it's probably like most things genetic, it pops up now and again, missing generations then reappearing. P.C and Camilla can't really be put into the same box as some of their forebears as theirs was and is a genuine love affair. The EdwardV11th- Mrs Keppel association is probably coincidence as they moved in the same circles,both then and now.

No idea I am talking about the general idea of adultery being genetic.

Who did the Queen, .Phillip, her parents , have affairs with ?

Crikey.
No I looked up the research on it.

Did you look up your own family Galaxy ?

I have just looked it up and apparently there is some indication it does!

Didn’t know adultery run through families from generation to
generation

What is interesting is that Prince Charles's g.g.grandfather Edward V11th and Camilla's g.g.grandmother Mrs Alice Keppel were,as they say, an item! What goes round, comes round?

Friends with benefits as the young of today would call it.

People want to believe the rubbish about Charles and Camilla
being madly in love from the day they met.

They were part of a country set, as was Anne who dated Parker
Bowles. Camilla wanted to marry Parker Bowles, she was in love with him.

Parker Bowles is Godfather to Zara, Charles is Godfather to
Tom Parker Bowles, They were all friends.

The Queen Mother, Anne, Margaret were guests at the Parker
Bowles wedding,

Camilla chose to marry Parker Bowles. It's more complicated than you might think.