Marie antonette on bbc2

Anyone interested in that story can read the book by John Biggs. Available via Amazon or Kindle

www.ablogtowatch.com/marie-antoinettes-watch-john-biggs-book-review-interview/

Sorry, had not seen your post at the time.

So Count Fernsen is now on the scene- will they talk about Breguet and the Marie-Antoinette watch? I have translated a book on the subject, so am particularly interested on this part of the story. Nicola Parson's documentary was great, and as said, we communicated on the matter a few times.

Fleurpepper

Fair enough- it is quite normal that different people will perceive such a series differently, depending on their personal knowledge and perception.

I never said it was 'tosh' - but felt the first episode in particular to be more sensationalist and superficial as I expected it would be. For all sorts of reasons, I have studien this period of history in depth, translated a book on her life, and even worked with Nicolas Parsons on a documentary.

Looking forward to 3rd episode, and see.

How fascinating, was that the one about her Breguet watch?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07xtbhr#:~:text=Nicholas%20Parsons%20explores%20his%20life,the%20so%2Dcalled%20Marie%20Antoinette.

Fleurpepper I think I'd find it annoying if I knew a lot about that period of history but I don't, however I know a bit more than I did. I sometimes get cross if I've read a book and enjoyed it, then find a film adaption changes the story or gives it a different ending!

Fair enough- it is quite normal that different people will perceive such a series differently, depending on their personal knowledge and perception.

I never said it was 'tosh' - but felt the first episode in particular to be more sensationalist and superficial as I expected it would be. For all sorts of reasons, I have studien this period of history in depth, translated a book on her life, and even worked with Nicolas Parsons on a documentary.

Looking forward to 3rd episode, and see.

Having finished it, I hope there's a second series as I enjoyed it. I don't expect historical dramas to be accurate. I loved the costumes and sets. I watched "Mary Queen of Scots" yesterday afternoon, I've seen it before but I was happy to watch it again. In the film the two queens meet but according to records, they never did. It didn't spoil the film for me.

ExperiencedNotOld

I watched episode 3 this afternoon. The costume are wonderful and the room sets a delight. Whether it’s true to history or not, I really don’t care. It’s the visual equivalent of really good cake.

I agree! I adore the costumes and find the hairstyles bizarrely fascinating.

I'm aware that a TV drama such as this will not show the historical facts with 100% accuracy or completeness, but that doesn’t impact on my enjoyment. I do think the 3 TV series “Versailles” were better…..but that may be simply because I saw those first, a very hard act to follow.

I think Madame Josephine, Princesse de Savoy.

Aveline

At least you're not being supercilious or patronising!
It an enjoyable and beautifully produced drama. A nice change from gritty crime thrillers.

Would you like to be more specific as to who is?

At least you're not being supercilious or patronising!
It an enjoyable and beautifully produced drama. A nice change from gritty crime thrillers.

MawtheMerrier

Call me old fashioned , but I still like to refer to TV programmes

In American English, program is the correct spelling. In Australian and Canadian English, program is the more common spelling. In British English, programme is the preferred spelling, although program is often used in computing contexts.

When I was teaching, we referred to maths programmes, but IT programs.

There is a difference, but I admit to being a fully paid up pedant!

The clothes are lovely.

I have seen two episodes and it seems just a bit of long drawn-out foreplay to me!!

I watched episode 3 this afternoon. The costume are wonderful and the room sets a delight. Whether it’s true to history or not, I really don’t care. It’s the visual equivalent of really good cake.

Well there are no surprises to be told- I think we all know that. Surely they will have to get that bit right!

Aveline

I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a beautifully presented drama. I expect there'll be another series as this one ended quite well.

If it ended quite well there surely must be another series! 😀

I shouldn't really comment as I haven't watched it yet.

Aveline

Feeling supercilious Maw? How disappointing.

But at least not patronising

Many years ago my MiL told me that a particular film she had seen was rubbish. It had won critical acclaim, and Oscars. Its wasn't rubbish of course. She just didn't like it. She hadn't understood it, as I remember.

Feeling supercilious Maw? How disappointing.

Call me old fashioned , but I still like to refer to TV programmes

In American English, program is the correct spelling. In Australian and Canadian English, program is the more common spelling. In British English, programme is the preferred spelling, although program is often used in computing contexts.

volver

Had you said "I think its tosh" that would have been an opinion, and I could not have argued with you about your opinion. Although I disagree with it.

However "Its tosh" is a comment on the actual program, and implies that anyone who likes it enjoys watching tosh. So that's me, Aveline, Fleurpepper and all the others dismissed by you. Which isn't on really, is it?

You may think that, I couldn’t possibly comment.

Tosh or not, I am thoroughly enjoying it. I'm on "light duties" as I have flu, so watching a couple of episodes in a comfy chair with the dog on my lap is a pleasant diversion from boredom. The costumes, locations etc are beautiful. I am not a historian but it has made me do a bit of research tbh I don't expect it be accurate, entertaining is enough.

Had you said "I think its tosh" that would have been an opinion, and I could not have argued with you about your opinion. Although I disagree with it.

However "Its tosh" is a comment on the actual program, and implies that anyone who likes it enjoys watching tosh. So that's me, Aveline, Fleurpepper and all the others dismissed by you. Which isn't on really, is it?

In response to an earlier posting which speculated that she would not have travelled all the way from Vienna to Paris alone. Of course she was accompanied by female servants and outriders. However at the border to France a pavillion had been etected and she was obliged to strip naked and dress in French clothes. All her Austrian possessions and attendants were sent away and she was allowed only French ladies to attend her. That must have been quite traumatic for a girl of 14.

The next series will, of course, be much darker! I

It will no doubt include the affair of the famous diamond (and very ugly) necklace which Marie Antoinette was accused of ordering at a time of great hardship and famine for the French people. This was one of the incidents which turned the ordinary people against her with such venom. In fact it was stolen from the maker by a gang of fraudsters, one of whom impersonated the queen. She was completely innocent, having already refused to purchase the necklace because it was too expensive.

volver

It's not tosh at all.

I believe they call it "historical fiction".

You can have your opinion and I shall have mine.

Aveline, I only watch as episodes are shown on TV. So only seen two episodes so far.