well, here it is, Harry interview itv 9pm

tickingbird

My middle son lost his wife and mother of his 3 sons in 2018. That was when I joined GN. One Sunday morning the younger two (6 and 3) came bouncing into their bedroom and my son got up with them and told her to have a lie in while he did their breakfast. Oldest boy was 11. When my son went back upstairs an hour later she was dead. Those boys witnessed my son performing CPR and shouting for them to fetch the neighbour. She had suffered a spontaneous brain haemorrhage and died instantly. Needless to say there has been much trauma. I can only hope and pray they don’t go on to have MH problems in later years but it’s a worry. I have sympathy for Harry but it’s wearing very thin with his behaviour. William suffered too and has the burden of being the next King. As far as I’m concerned Harry had the easier time.

So sorry for your loss and for your sons and GC
What a terrible shock and tragedy for them. I hope they will have had the support needed to process their grief. I know there are charities that help with this, although I can't think what they are called.

Yes I think H had an easier role too, although it sounds like he was spoiled by Diana as she tried to over compensate for him being second born.

Unfortunately H is stuck in the past and has not managed to move forwards into a positive, thriving mentality. He is stuck in a victim mentality and is trying to take others down to where he is. Thankfully, with the grounding effects of the Middleton's I am sure W will not be reduced to H's level.

H needs a Priest, a Dr and a Therapist to help him overcome the massive chip on his shoulder and find a positive , healing way forwards.

My middle son lost his wife and mother of his 3 sons in 2018. That was when I joined GN. One Sunday morning the younger two (6 and 3) came bouncing into their bedroom and my son got up with them and told her to have a lie in while he did their breakfast. Oldest boy was 11. When my son went back upstairs an hour later she was dead. Those boys witnessed my son performing CPR and shouting for them to fetch the neighbour. She had suffered a spontaneous brain haemorrhage and died instantly. Needless to say there has been much trauma. I can only hope and pray they don’t go on to have MH problems in later years but it’s a worry. I have sympathy for Harry but it’s wearing very thin with his behaviour. William suffered too and has the burden of being the next King. As far as I’m concerned Harry had the easier time.

There may be three books to come, but I doubt if there will be much appetite for them, as it is unlikely the media will hype them in the way they have this one. Plus some people will actually have read his first offering.

Harry has shot his bolt as the sympathy many felt for him due to his mother's death is evaporating in the constant deluge of self-pity, despite his marriage, children and the new life he has chosen.

Harry has cheerfully stated that he has taken a variety of drugs and up until very recently was smoking cannabis every day - perhaps he still is..... whatever. I think his brain has been damaged.

As pointed out online earlier in the week, those drugs are illegal in the UK and he has been breaking the law for the last 30 years!

William has had the same amount of trauma as Harry, and carries a much greater burden than Harry, but the Middletons gave him a good family grounding in his early 20s.

Harry is jealous that he wasn't the first born, and Meghan is jealous of Kate. M wanted to be Queen Bee.

Its true, there is as much dysfunction in the middle classes but they are better at hiding it.

While its universally accepted that H has suffered much, you would hope that having suffered would make you determined that no one else would suffer. Instead, he seems to be dragging them down with him to where he is. Sad!

Thanks Galaxy, I read maddy one’s post and fiubd myself remembering similarly traumatic events in the lives of children I worked with. Financial poverty adds a dimension. Wealth doesn’t diminish the harm experienced by children in their families.
The RF is no exception.

I have worked with families for thirty years, I wont describe some of their situations but it is one of the reasons I am not in the slightest bit surprised what has happened to Harry. In the same way I wasnt the slightest but surprised (although utterly saddened) by what happened with the Geldof family, money often doesnt stop the damage.

Aww poor lad Maddyone.
Some people have had such tough lives.

He was such a lovely little boy too, who sweetly told me that ‘daddy is away working in London.’

Galaxy

I am not sure I am defending him but I cant understand how anyone is surprised. There was bound to be some impact from what happened in their childhood, I dont mean just his mothers death but all the unending mess that preceded it.

I agree with you Galaxy but would add that judging from my experience of teaching in a deprived area when I was working, there are a great many children who suffer as much and more terrible experiences during their childhood, and they do not have the wealth and privilege that Harry enjoyed to buffer them from these experiences. Take for example the five year old I taught, whose father stabbed his best friend to death over a slice of pizza, in the flat where this child was sleeping in the next room. The police and emergency services came with all the attendant noise and confusion and the father was of course arrested and subsequently convicted and imprisoned. A distraught mother, a missing father, blood everywhere, police, social workers, a tiny flat, no garden, a life on benefits.
I’m sorry, but I find it very difficult to have any sympathy for Harry with his hard done by stories.

It sounds mad to say it because I too believed they wanted to be left alone, but maybe they wanted to be chased?

After all, if you're "chased" you might get paid for stories etc.

^I agree Callistemon that's why people are finding it puzzling that he is perpetuating those very conditions in his adult life.
He claimed to want to get away from the "goldfish bowl" life that he felt was damaging. Most people were sympathetic to that understandable desire and took his words at face value.^

I think the press intrusion was dreadful for Meghan too so I can't understand why, when they left, they continued to pursue publicity, did not perhaps renounce all titles etc and live a quieter and happy family life in America.

Yes, it is puzzling.

"The media does have a lot to answer for, living your life with the paparazzi constantly in your face from childhood wherever you go, intruding on your family, not allowing you to live a normal life must be stressful, even terrifying."

I agree Callistemon that's why people are finding it puzzling that he is perpetuating those very conditions in his adult life.
He claimed to want to get away from the "goldfish bowl" life that he felt was damaging. Most people were sympathetic to that understandable desire and took his words at face value.
Everything he has said and done since seems to contradict that statement. It points to him wanting to keep the high profile, the money, lifestyle and the prestige that allows him a platform but at the same time being able to fully control the press and media as sees fit. Most of his anger seems to come from his desire to get rid of a free press and his failure to achieve that.

Interestingly the DM comments seem to show that a lot of people consider M to be the ghost writer sharing her memories but making it sound like his. They think that she is massively jealous of Kate and claim that the kind of details about the bridesmaids dresses would not be written about by a man or remembered.

Who knows? Apparently there are quite a few other discrepancies and yes an editor would have been good.

Yes editors are nice people. The managing directors are not.

Sorry, I only know editors - oh, perhaps that's what Harry's book needed.

A good editor who would instantly pick up on discrepancies, time shifts, location shifts etc.

OK!

Don’t ask

Well you might be.. but a lot would sell their grandmothers

ronib

Casdon I would like you to be right but you forget that Penguin Random House have signed up for two more books. I happen to know that publishers are not really the nicest people in the world and they are not going to give up on the deals.

I happen to know that publishers are not really the nicest people in the world

Oh, really?

They're lovely people. 🙂

The whole situation is ReMarkleable

Casdon

ronib

Well you are all going to have at least another five years of agonising debate on PH so I suggest you learn to pace yourselves. It’s going to get very tiring.

I don’t think so ronib. I think we’re now at Harry Max, the royals have weathered the storm and aren’t going to respond, so it’s all going to die down again. I doubt he is going to be given additional potential ammunition for books 2 and 3. Im probably the only one but I’m glad that’s the case as I’m sick of it all.

Oh, hang on a minute, Casdon, I'm only just catching up with the Netflix because DH has gone out!! 😀
Half watching, skimming through.

The curtsey thing was ridiculous. Meghan was trained in royal protocols.

Casdon I would like you to be right but you forget that Penguin Random House have signed up for two more books. I happen to know that publishers are not really the nicest people in the world and they are not going to give up on the deals.

ronib

Well you are all going to have at least another five years of agonising debate on PH so I suggest you learn to pace yourselves. It’s going to get very tiring.

I don’t think so ronib. I think we’re now at Harry Max, the royals have weathered the storm and aren’t going to respond, so it’s all going to die down again. I doubt he is going to be given additional potential ammunition for books 2 and 3. Im probably the only one but I’m glad that’s the case as I’m sick of it all.