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Polly Toynbee.

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Calendargirl Wed 03-May-23 18:33:53

Just listened to her on the 6 News giving her opinion on Charles and the future of the monarchy.

Predicting George will never get to be King, reckons it will all be gone in 25 or so years.

And saying how they needed Meghan, but how they ‘blew it’.

Well, like many of us, she probably won’t be around to gloat about it.

Clawdy Thu 04-May-23 15:15:41

" Meghan had loads of encouragement and support and public applause..." Really?? The foul right-wing tabloids were against her from the start and determined to portray her as badly as they could. The racism she endured was horrendous.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 04-May-23 15:11:25

Witzend

Oreo

Polly Toynbee did 8 month’s work in total in cafes, factory and so on and was so thrilled with herself for doing it that she wrote a book about working life.Then got a journalist’s job of course, it’s easier to write about it than to do it for any length of time, she praises the working man/ woman as long as she doesn’t have to do it much herself.She sent two children to private schools in spite of saying how wonderful the state schools are.A champagne socialist if ever there was one.
Diane Abbot a similar type.

Archetypal champagne socialist, IMO.

What is a champagne socialist?

Callistemon21 Thu 04-May-23 15:03:53

If the Monarchy survives in the future or not, Meghan and Harry are now irrelevant.

Callistemon21 Thu 04-May-23 14:59:18

Luckygirl3

Well - they did fail at being inclusive. The were completely unwilling to bend - they expect the spouses who join their family to buy into the dysfunction, rather than recognising that these spouses have come from the real world.

They also failed to protect her from the press intrusion.

Well - they did fail at being inclusive. The were completely unwilling to bend

How do you know this? From one sided stories?

Yes, spouses who marry into the working part of the Royal Family do generally become part of the work force unless they withdraw as some have done. As Meghan was fully aware of this and was trained for months before her marriage in wat would be expected of her role, they both had plenty of opportunity to withdraw too before a showcase wedding, expensive refurbishments of the cottage (sic) and hitting the ground running.
With privilege comes duty. Unfortunate for them but true.

Grantanow Thu 04-May-23 13:40:29

She's obviously intelligent and writes well in the Guardian but she is ideologically driven on the Left so I read her with caution, just as I read any political journalist in the Right leaning newspapers. I find her more negatively inclined on TV than in the press but that's just my view.

Witzend Thu 04-May-23 13:37:33

Oreo

Polly Toynbee did 8 month’s work in total in cafes, factory and so on and was so thrilled with herself for doing it that she wrote a book about working life.Then got a journalist’s job of course, it’s easier to write about it than to do it for any length of time, she praises the working man/ woman as long as she doesn’t have to do it much herself.She sent two children to private schools in spite of saying how wonderful the state schools are.A champagne socialist if ever there was one.
Diane Abbot a similar type.

Archetypal champagne socialist, IMO.

maddyone Thu 04-May-23 13:30:15

I agree with Oreo too. Polly Toynbee = champagne socialist. Or as my grandmother would say, she’s a do as I say, not as I do sort of person.

maddyone Thu 04-May-23 13:27:44

Given what Harry and Meghan have done since they left the royal family, I’m not at all convinced that Meghan ever had even the slightest intention of becoming a working member of the royal family. It’s my opinion that she had a game plan all along, to become famous and to become rich, preferably in Hollywood. Fine. What I despise is the way she’s chosen to do it.

I’m not even a royalist. One day we should become a republic, not in my lifetime though, I suspect. But because I would support becoming a republic, I don’t for that reason automatically think royal family = bad, Meghan = good. Clearly she doesn’t equal good, based purely on her actions which have been nothing short of despicable.

Gillycats Thu 04-May-23 13:25:45

I agree with Oreo, she’s yet another Champagne Socialist. So I have no time for the likes of her.

Oreo Thu 04-May-23 13:18:17

Polly Toynbee did 8 month’s work in total in cafes, factory and so on and was so thrilled with herself for doing it that she wrote a book about working life.Then got a journalist’s job of course, it’s easier to write about it than to do it for any length of time, she praises the working man/ woman as long as she doesn’t have to do it much herself.She sent two children to private schools in spite of saying how wonderful the state schools are.A champagne socialist if ever there was one.
Diane Abbot a similar type.

Oreo Thu 04-May-23 13:11:06

Meghan had loads of encouragement and support and public applause but she found the RF rules too restricting for her idea of Disney princess lifestyle so packed it in.Without really trying.

Oreo Thu 04-May-23 13:07:27

Dickens

Oreo

Not a fan!
Patronising, arrogant and sour as other posters say.She also needs to get her roots done or choose a different hairstyle😬

She also needs to get her roots done or choose a different hairstyle😬

<<< sigh >>>

Was wondering who would be the first sanctimonious comment would come from😄
It’s a real distraction when she’s on tv, which unfortunately is often given that she’s a real self publicist, all you notice are the glaring grey roots on the dyed gingery blonde hair as the top part is dragged back and secured with a slide, urrrgh!

merlotgran Thu 04-May-23 12:55:58

Well - they did fail at being inclusive. The were completely unwilling to bend - they expect the spouses who join their family to buy into the dysfunction, rather than recognising that these spouses have come from the real world

Maybe if Meghan had been supported by a loving family in the early days like Sophie and Catherine, she would not have been so eager to throw in the towel. She was backed up by celebrities she hardly knew and sycophantic career climbers. That’s not exactly the real world but these were people who said what she wanted to hear.

Meghan’s mother obviously supported
her decision to jump ship but this is easy when private jets and millionaires’ mansions are on offer to pave the way.

Dickens Thu 04-May-23 12:43:21

Oreo

Not a fan!
Patronising, arrogant and sour as other posters say.She also needs to get her roots done or choose a different hairstyle😬

She also needs to get her roots done or choose a different hairstyle😬

<<< sigh >>>

NanaDana Thu 04-May-23 12:38:04

It's just the opinion of one consistently left-wing and anti-Royalist journalist, so why would anyone be particularly exercised about it? It's totally predictable. I'm a Republican myself, and yes, I do believe that the Royalty's days are certainly numbered, not in my lifetime but perhaps my Grandchildren will be around to see it. One major claim which P.T. made which I strongly disagree with is that the Royal family "blew it" with Megan. I don't think so. I believe that she was the accident waiting to happen as regards her self-obsession, and that the man-child Harry just didn't have either the social awareness or the intellectual maturity to see this, even when her behaviour and her attitude began to alienate and upset both the family and the palace staff. Everything that the poisonous pair have done since has merely reinforced my opinion about them. Such a sad tale.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 04-May-23 12:35:26

paddyann54

I'm hoping they'll all be shown the door a lot sooner than 25 years .What DOES it take to get the blinkers off about these parasites ?

Once you call human beings parasites you have lost the argument Paddyann54

paddyann54 Thu 04-May-23 12:22:06

I'm hoping they'll all be shown the door a lot sooner than 25 years .What DOES it take to get the blinkers off about these parasites ?

luluaugust Thu 04-May-23 12:15:34

Didn't Diana Princess of Wales say something similar about her husband. Wishful thinking maybe??

Luckygirl3 Thu 04-May-23 11:48:26

Oh dear!

Bizziebe Thu 04-May-23 11:24:49

Meghan failed, and has shown her true spiteful colours ever since. However she has made plenty of millions off the back of the royals hasn’t she! Neither she, nor Polly Toynbee show any signs of being the kind and caring people they claim to be.
👏 👏 👏

Luckygirl3 Thu 04-May-23 11:22:49

Well - they did fail at being inclusive. The were completely unwilling to bend - they expect the spouses who join their family to buy into the dysfunction, rather than recognising that these spouses have come from the real world.

They also failed to protect her from the press intrusion.

Bizziebe Thu 04-May-23 11:22:05

I am sad M & H burnt their bridges without seeking reconciliation. It sounded as though they could only find fault with the RF and wanted to tell the world how they were badly treated. I think Charles would have been a forgiving, supportive father and made allowances IF more compassion had been shown by M & H around the time of DoE's impending death.
After that there could be no coming back.

Callistemon21 Thu 04-May-23 11:00:27

As for Harry and Meghan......just too much has been written about them, other than to say there was a nano second when they could have been fantastic for our nation but the writing on the wall emerged after a very brief honeymoon with the public

Yes, very true.

I thought she would be a wonderful new addition to The Firm and, with all her experience, would be a strong support to Harry in his duties.
Because, although a "slimmed-down monarchy" seems to be the aim, there is so much demand for the services of the Royal Family, despite what republicans may claim, that they cannot afford to slim down much further.

maddyone Thu 04-May-23 10:48:33

Along with Diane Abbott!

maddyone Thu 04-May-23 10:48:13

Luckygirl3

I do not really know PT's writings, but I do know that the royal family had the opportunity to be inclusive and failed at it. But then we all know how dysfunctional a royal upbringing is.

No. The royal family absolutely did not fail at being inclusive. That’s not a nice thing to say. Meghan failed at being a royal. Totally failed, and has shown her true spiteful colours ever since. However she has made plenty of millions off the back of the royals hasn’t she! Neither she, nor Polly Toynbee show any signs of being the kind and caring people they claim to be. Hypocritical people who have set themselves up as being something neither of them are!