David Tennant.

VS
shouldn't

I don't know if you have misread it misunderstood Mollygo but I can't have a conversation based on things that haven't happened.
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The Seattle pride is 50 years old (one of the landmark ones).

Washington Post report criticising the nudity does give numbers to the numbers of naked men at the Seattle event

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/26/seattle-pride-parade-features-naked-men-bikes-all-/

but the city wide turnout is around 200.000 march and viewers - still very much the mardigras feeling

www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=3dde2fcdc36845ac&sca_upv=1&rls=en&sxsrf=ADLYWIJOrDJ-RhXpHV1ZRKdIGvwP3EmSHQ:1719856173250&q=seattle+pride+march&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWtG_mNb-HwafvV8cKK_h1a5eSkyfXNgRC6a9SKsMT7FJcpNbhuyop7vethc16lXGVekItjKTF5tpJ3QHf6xA-aVmpm4eFUvVo-8Vsymkkh7P0rydnb_owUtFowmUBPblbDO6KlwD_4BTEBQeNKo8lOssyz_eo7D5p_UGC4zQ8zWuuOhGR&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQxZXCs4aHAxWEUkEAHXg_CiwQtKgLegQIERAB&biw=1193&bih=852&dpr=2

tho I'm sure there are tensions within the groups involved around issues properly and well discussed in GN

which unfortunately is exploited by small groups of extremists in events

I've been looking at Pride all over the world and was glad to see its been celebrated in the Ukraine for the first time since the war begun. Its also I countries like South Korea where its not legal to marry etc and people are brave to turn out.

No one should be made to feel they ought to be there or ought to support Pride of course or take children if they are not happy with it.

Can't stand the man

It doesn't matter to me if people go to Pride or not, it only matters that people who do, who go for the reasons it represents, do so without being shamed in any way

Many of the gay people I know are raising concerns about some aspects of pride, ( the commercialisation, etc etc) you do know that discussing pride is nothing to do with accepting gay people. I spent most of my twenties having flings with women, I have never been to pride in my life. Gay and bisexual people hold a range of views on everything including pride. I have just read a very funny tweet from a lesbian explaining that she was being told off for not celebrating Pride by a straight woman, she felt that summed up much of the current situation.

I've never said that parents should take their children to Pride

I have only defended those who do

And I have only done that in response to comments saying they shouldn't

I don't know if you have misread it misunderstood Mollygo but I can't have a conversation based on things that haven't happened

The difference CS, is that no one except you was saying that parents should take their children to Pride events because it . . .

I forget all the waffle you put, when you wandered into weddings etc etc.
You can go, and claim you see nothing unacceptable-that only means that your view of unacceptable is not that of everyone else, any more than my view is.

kircubbin2000

I think most people are sick of pride and they way it's shoved in our faces everywhere. The rainbow used to be a nice colourful thing but now it's associated with all this hoo ha. Also I don't think it's anything to be proud of.

I mean, let's hope some of the more gay accepting people on this thread address this so I don't have to

I have the right to take my children to Pride without being castigated and so do other parents

That was actually the argument Mollygo wasn't it? Because I haven't done any castigating at all, if people don't want to go, I don't mind

I think most people are sick of pride and they way it's shoved in our faces everywhere. The rainbow used to be a nice colourful thing but now it's associated with all this hoo ha. Also I don't think it's anything to be proud of.

VioletSky

Yes it does... So let's get that out of the way Smileless

This idea that "a small vocal minority" (I'm not sure what they are vocal about) in some way tarnishes a beautiful celebration is ridiculous

It's like saying an entire wedding celebration was ruined and unsafe for children because your uncle got too drunk and knocked the wedding cake over... Not the fault of the rest of the guests and definitely not the bride and grooms... Just call drunk uncle a taxi and carry on, don't walk out on them

Was he half naked at the time?
Or wearing fairy wings?

VioletSky

Mollygo I haven't encountered anything described and would stay away from it if I saw it.

Hurray! So you would find some things that happen at Pride events unacceptable. e.g. the rainbow drunkards, the people in vulgar costumes, etc? I didn’t google them, to prove a point, they were on the local news.

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You then presumably understand why some parents or grandparents aren't willing to take their children to Pride events, and have the right not to do so, without being castigated by those like you, who have a different point of view.

You say you would stay away from it if you saw it so does that mean you don't find it acceptable?

Mollygo I haven't encountered anything described and would stay away from it if I saw it...

Best I can do really isn't it?

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So all of Pride is no longer acceptable

The question should be,
Do you, VioletSky, think that everything that happens at Pride celebrations is acceptable?

No it doesn't. Show me where anyone has said any of the things in your post.

In your opinion maybe, but IMO a small vocal minority are tarnishing what was once a tasteful and enjoyable to watch celebration.

Yes it does... So let's get that out of the way Smileless

This idea that "a small vocal minority" (I'm not sure what they are vocal about) in some way tarnishes a beautiful celebration is ridiculous

It's like saying an entire wedding celebration was ruined and unsafe for children because your uncle got too drunk and knocked the wedding cake over... Not the fault of the rest of the guests and definitely not the bride and grooms... Just call drunk uncle a taxi and carry on, don't walk out on them

Your post @ 17.22 bears no relation to what is being said here VS.

No I don't think it's a shame to find appropriate evidence to support your point of view on Google or anywhere else VS. You often do the same in fact have done so on this thread.

I agree GG things aint want they used to be and making something different doesn't necessarily make it better; certainly not in this case.

So all of Pride is no longer acceptable?

We throw away a celebration of being who you are and loving who you love?

We stop acknowledging all the hard fought for rights?

We stop standing up against homophobia with togetherness?

VioletSky

Again, there are generally different areas of Pride and people may attend where they please...

Googling it looking for excuses not to support it, rather than experiencing it is such a shame

To reassure everyone, no Pride I have attended had any jiggling bits lol

I was a supporter of Pride in the beginning as were my friends.

Whether you agree or not in my and many others opinions Pride has been hijacked by a small extremely vocal minority, and as the song says things ain’t what they used to be

You don't think it is a shame to choose based on a quick Google designed to support an already held view Smileless?

I've always thought to be open minded, that's not how we should go about it

I'm glad to hear it VS but it does seem to be on the increase which IMO does a disservice to those who want to participate for genuine reasons.

I don't agree that GG googled it to look for excuses not to support it. We don't need need excuses not so support something as we are entitled to choose what we do and do not support.

Again, there are generally different areas of Pride and people may attend where they please...

Googling it looking for excuses not to support it, rather than experiencing it is such a shame

To reassure everyone, no Pride I have attended had any jiggling bits lol

I don't think anyone needs to discuss anything VS but everyone is free to discuss if they want too.

Well that version of Pride isn't GG which is a shame because it used to be.