David Tennant.

It's not an event I would take a child too kircubbin. It's changed and IMO has become over sexualised and doesn't present the overall positive picture it used too.

Kircubbin

Why not?

Does that mean we shouldn't take children to remembrance day or celebrate a coronation with them, or mourn the passing of a monarch with them?

What's the criteria that makes Pride a bad thing for children?

VioletSky

I would expect anyone attending Pride to absolutely understand that

Pride doesn't sound like a place for young kids.Why on earth would you take an 11 year old.Let them be children.

Smileless2012

That's lovely maddyone .

People in all walks of life have as you say, worries and concerns as well as joys and pleasures.

I know that threads meander but this isn't a discussion about homophobia VS or transphobia, it's about the affect that a small minority of a minority group are having on the lives of women, as well as concerns about children being told they are in the wrong body.

Are you going to police everyone who talked about Pride or topics directly related to the OP or just me?

maddyone😃
Am guessing they would both run a mile at having anything to do with Pride displays.
We have certainly gone well past that now and gay people are pretty much accepted apart from some ethnic minorities here in the UK.
Stonewall and Pride marches simply aren’t needed anymore except by the vocal trans lobbyists, fetish groups drag queens and assorted others.

I am middle sixties, there were to openly lesbian girls in my year at my all girls grammar school.

At my all-girls school it was the two piano teachers.
The one who taught me used to sit very close to me on the piano stool and rest her hand on my thigh. I'd have been 15-16.
They used to walk home hand in hand after school.
Did it bother any of us?
No 🤷

I’m pleased for you, your son and his family, that everything is going well. Maddyone.

I've read recently that 50% of trans people deeply regret ever having surgery and 80% still suffer from pain in that area 5 years later. I actually know someone who deeply regrets it several years later.
I like and respect people who are nice, kind and caring and that goes for all people regardless of nationality disability sexual orientation size gender etc.
Basically if someone is nasty mean and spiteful I don't like them.
People's sexuality is nothing to do with me - its their personality that affects me.

That's lovely maddyone .

People in all walks of life have as you say, worries and concerns as well as joys and pleasures.

I know that threads meander but this isn't a discussion about homophobia VS or transphobia, it's about the affect that a small minority of a minority group are having on the lives of women, as well as concerns about children being told they are in the wrong body.

maddyone!👍🏻😘

Interesting discussion. I believe most gay people are getting on with living their lives in the same way as everyone else, with the same worries and concerns and the same joys and pleasures.
My second son is gay. He is married to our son in law and they have a little boy who they adopted when he was two years old. He is a senior barrister and works hard at the big and complicated cases he takes on. They live near London for his work, but come to their weekend house most weekends so that their child can see us and have a regular relationship with his grandparents.
My son has never attended a Pride event. He lives a normal life just like other people. All four of his grandparents, all in their eighties, attended his wedding, along with multiple other relatives. And the relatives of his partner.
I appreciate that some gay people have troubled lives, but really I think we’re getting beyond that for most gay people and their families.
Just let them lead their normal lives. Accept them and remember they are people.
I don’t think of my son as my gay son, I think of him simply as my son, my darling boy.

VioletSky

How can you not believe that gay people are still experiencing homophobia?

Just Google it!

Yes in London too

I agree with you. I've seen it first hand in secondary schools.

I would guarantee that her majority will be reduced, but it's a huge majority to overturn.

How can you not believe that gay people are still experiencing homophobia?

Just Google it!

Yes in London too

SiobhanSharpe

Highly unlikely. She is in an extremely safe seat in leafy Saffron Walden, north essex.

Unfortunately, that's almost certainly true. I think everybody else gave up years ago, although we have an independent local council and Labour won a town council seat a few weeks ago. Local LibDem activists have been asked to concentrate on South Cambridgeshire.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/rise-lgbtq-hate-crime-london-homophobic-attacks-clapham-brixton-b1112859.html

VioletSky

Granygravy people are still coming out of the closet and still people being bullied for being LGBTQ and still people hiding it... There are also still parents who do not accept it

There are still many places and ways people are in danger for being gay...

This is my lived experience

Funny enough it’s mine and DH’s lived experience.

Granygravy people are still coming out of the closet and still people being bullied for being LGBTQ and still people hiding it... There are also still parents who do not accept it

There are still many places and ways people are in danger for being gay...

This is my lived experience

I would expect anyone attending Pride to absolutely understand that

VioletSky

Oreo

It's sad that people would still be concerned about that, most of us know these things aren't a choice...

Poor children and teens have been trying not to be who they are for so long, families and lives devastated by hiding these things, that's why we need Pride, to show them they can be themselves

Totally not true.

I am middle sixties, there were to openly lesbian girls in my year at my all girls grammar school.

When I moved counties and chose to go to the local streamed comprehensive the boy in my tutor group was out and proud.

I have no idea where in the U.K. you live, but here in London and the South East being gay is no big deal!

As long as they aren’t directed that way by adults, directed and encouraged.
Children often need time to really know themselves and we do them a real disservice if we rush them.

Oreo

It's sad that people would still be concerned about that, most of us know these things aren't a choice...

Poor children and teens have been trying not to be who they are for so long, families and lives devastated by hiding these things, that's why we need Pride, to show them they can be themselves

Highly unlikely. She is in an extremely safe seat in leafy Saffron Walden, north essex.

I think some parents are more concerned that their boy will turn out to be gay so are turning to the trans issue if you really want my honest opinion VioletSky
Depending on the age of the child it’s much more likely that a boy who appears girly , wants nail varnish and a dress and so on will either be too young to to know anything and it’s just dress up to them or with an older boy that he will be gay when he comes to choosing boyfriend/ girlfriend.
I really don’t believe there are all these thousands and thousands of real gender problems with children here.

This election is one of the bitterest ones I've witnessed. All parties, and I'm pretty sure it's all of them, are trying to find something radically wrong with other parties. This is then blown up by the press.
They should be promoting their policies, saying how their party will outshine all the others and are the best.
It's just like a witch hunt atm