BBC Sports Presenter Jermaine Jenas sacked

www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/gary-lineker-jermaine-jenas-match-of-the-day-342223-20240830

I’m not sure if this alleged report was the victim or just someone else

David49
^Ididn’t say it’s OK I said it’s not illegal
Most men wouldnt do it,^

Not sure why you responded to me with that post tbh.

I went to a club at Christmas, women were subjected to all sorts of physical attention from men, including some women in our group. Luckily the security seem pretty switched on these days and there were female security in the toilets.

I had to go with work btw 😂 I went home quite early

Most men don’t start a conversation with a woman in a bar or nightclub by asking ‘you coming home then’. Ie are you up for sex when we leave together. That’s the chat up line a friend was subjected to frequently and uninvited.

tickingbird

^I wish men who think it’s ok to approach and ‘ proposition’ a female would think how they woukd feel about their daughter sister partner or even mother being approached in similar circumstances. Suspect they woukdnt be happy.^

Heaven forbid a man should approach a woman! Hello!! Some women, many women enjoy being approached by men. How did your husband/partner manage to break the ice with you?

This type of thinking is just ridiculous.

I didn’t say it’s OK I said it’s not illegal
Most men wouldnt do it,

silverlining48

David A verbal proposition may not be illegal but is it acceptable behaviour? I think not and could be seen in some circumstances as threatening.
I wish men who think it’s ok to approach and ‘ proposition’ a female would think how they woukd feel about their daughter sister partner or even mother being approached in similar circumstances. Suspect they woukdnt be happy.
As for women dressing’ provocatively’ asks for or excuses for this behaviour, it doesn’t. Women usually dress to please themselves not to attract sexual advances. .

There is bad behavior by men and women, verbal or written sexual messages between adults is not illegal, if you don’t like block it but I certainly wouldn’t condone it.

This thread is about in appropriate workplace messages, it shouldnt happen, senior staff shouldn’t take advantage of or intimidate juniors.
Jena’s is a fool and he’s paid the price

I wish men who think it’s ok to approach and ‘ proposition’ a female would think how they woukd feel about their daughter sister partner or even mother being approached in similar circumstances. Suspect they woukdnt be happy.

Heaven forbid a man should approach a woman! Hello!! Some women, many women enjoy being approached by men. How did your husband/partner manage to break the ice with you?

This type of thinking is just ridiculous.

Were the messages on work phones? If so numbers would be easy to find. I've never worked in TV, but I doubt everyone is tied to a landline - people these days have mobile phones if they aren't sitting at a desk all day and people need to contact them.

What happens in nightclubs is not remotely relevant. The workplace is somewhere where people should expect to be treated with professionalism and respect.

David A verbal proposition may not be illegal but is it acceptable behaviour? I think not and could be seen in some circumstances as threatening.
I wish men who think it’s ok to approach and ‘ proposition’ a female would think how they woukd feel about their daughter sister partner or even mother being approached in similar circumstances. Suspect they woukdnt be happy.
As for women dressing’ provocatively’ asks for or excuses for this behaviour, it doesn’t. Women usually dress to please themselves not to attract sexual advances. .

Also if these women gave him their number he could have said I'll text you and they replied OK.
I don't know this happened and again it is speculation, that is why I won't condemn him other to say he is a fool until I know more.

welbeck

why do older women say that because they had to put up with casual sexual harassment at work and elsewhere, therefore younger women now should not call it out.
i hear this so often.
i guess it's some kind of psychological defence mechanism at play; that's the best interpretation.
i'm glad women now will not tolerate any such thing.

Very well said

I say again it is speculation, we do not know enough, we don't know what was said, if the texts were flirty, he was stupid and not thinking about his family.
It may be worse than that but we just do not know.

JaneJudge

Actually women do not like being sexually assaulted on a night out

A verbal proposition is not illegal

Actually women do not like being sexually assaulted on a night out

Maybe you’re not familiar with the nightclub scene these days, men try to seduce women all the time and women dress provocatively all the time to encourage them, inappropriate remarks are common. It doesn’t result in a big fuss if the woman is insulted she walks away. It’s not the way you treat a work colleague and most workplaces are very strict
about inappropriate communication.

A straight talking solicitor would say just that, it’s the best way to get through to the client that he has no way of defending evidence in black and white

Casdon

An idiot, but it’s not a big story in the scheme of things. I wish the media wouldn’t hound people once a decision has been made, being sacked was a just punishment, but a line should be drawn now for the sake of his family.

Whilst I naturally feel sorry for his wife, I think the more that misogyny, sexual harassment and assault is exposed the greater the message sent to men everywhere. My first job was in an aircraft factory and very male dominated. Every time I left my office I faced a sexual assault course, much of it very explicit. One "boss", a middle aged balding pot bellied married man, would pin me against a wall and tell me he wanted to "lick my ......" There was no-one to complain to and, even if I had, I would've been told that I had no sense of humour or that I was clearly a lesbian.

“You are not in a nightclub were the women are half drunk and you can say what you like, apologize now and limit the damage”.

David, is this really what his solicitors said? So, in effect you can do or say whatever you like to women in a nightclub? This plays very much into the age old trope of "she was asking for it" and rape culture. If that's the case I think the solicitors should also be under investigation as well.

There has been an admission they were unsolicited and private to each “girl’ involved

We don’t need to make up stories about flattery etc. one at least did not consent and reported him. Can you imagine how difficult that would be for a junior member of staff when he was so high profile? That’s the reality of the situation. She is most probably quite traumatised by all this

well said welbeck - the blaming of women when men behave badly needs challenging

why do older women say that because they had to put up with casual sexual harassment at work and elsewhere, therefore younger women now should not call it out.
i hear this so often.
i guess it's some kind of psychological defence mechanism at play; that's the best interpretation.
i'm glad women now will not tolerate any such thing.

We don’t know what the messages were, who the recipients were and whether they initially encouraged him. If they were disgusting and unsolicited messages then he deserves everything he gets. On the other hand if they were simply flirty the women should have told him to b….r off and blocked him. I guess it all depends how serious it was so it’s hard to comment. As young women working in a very male environment in the 70s the men often tried it on with us but soon got short shrift. We didn’t go running to report them.

GeorgesGran
As they worked together I would imagine they were in group chats
Everyone in that group can see the number of others in the group

Maybe so sparklefizz and we don’t know whether the 24 hours of sending sexualised texts was a two way process. He was sacked and I doubt that would have been possible if he hadn’t breached the terms of his employment. I’m assuming the colleague who complained remains in work, which suggests the investigation concluded she hadnt

It doesn’t Iam64 so I can only think the girls involved are either very young, or naive and felt flattered?
I know times have changed, but if my (extremely gorgeous) Boss had asked for my number way back, I’d have refused. I did end up babysitting for him, but arrangements were always made at work.

Iam64

Giving someone your phone number doesn’t also guve consent to being sexually harassed on the number.

I agree .... but it does show an expectation of something .....

Giving someone your phone number doesn’t also guve consent to being sexually harassed on the number.