Gregg Wallace : Another report

No doubt the environment and attitudes of coworkers would make a difference, I've agree.

Something about the culture of the workplace I suppose. As I said, where I worked the females gave as good as they got. I suspect some of the younger lads could have complained about us! Not a proud boast but something about the group culture led us to it.

Was it "The likely Lads" where one was being sent into a school to work?
A whole programme about how he was going to resist temptation, faced with teen girls.

That was respectable family viewing at that time.

I dislike the complacency of "it never happened to me, or anyone else I know" well that's that then is it? Proof such things didn't happen. I certainly remember uncomfortable experiences, loads of innuendo, half naked pin ups in offices. It was the 70s that's what it was like and as a young woman the tacit mood of the time, a time where men ruled the roost was "put up with it!"

We had a couple of male teachers that were a bit "handy" when I was at school.
When I did jury service, one of the girls was taken to task for claiming her teacher "looked at her" (along with other things)

The woman solicitor said "I doubt there is a single female in this room who doesn't understand what kind of look it was".
And all the women nodded.

I saw him on TV for the first time presenting a series about manufacturers - this episode was Ercol furniture. I had to turn it off - his silly, over enthusiastic behaviour and constant cries of 'WOW' became so irritating.

It takes a long time for a change in attitudes to filter into society.

Like many on here, I was a teenager in the 60's and early 70's. It was pretty much accepted by girls and women that men would "try it on" in various ways and talk in ways that are now deemed inappropriate.

It was the days of an emerging "pop culture" and tbh, there were hundreds of young girls champing at the bit to be groupies and, I know very well, would boast about famous guys they'd slept with. It was a badge of honour for them. It wasn't penned the permissive society for no reason!

In those days it probably wouldn't have occurred to us to speak out if a man acted inappropriately - it was just the way things were.

Thank goodness that our daughters and all those girls who came after us started to see the interaction between male and female differently - but it's been a long time coming.

And I don't think it's a case of a lot women coming out of the woodwork to talk about their experience with him, more a case of them saying "oh - he was the same when I worked with him" but didn't feel compelled to say anything at the time for any number of perfectly valid reasons.

I'd suggest these who have never encountered this kind of behaviour, and know of nobody that has, do, in fact, know people who have.

Statistics show something like one in three females have.
No link, apart from a link into my head, and that's a murky, fuzzy old place.

winterwhite

All this is very true and I know nothing about this man but I dislike these cases coming up out of the past. I think people should speak up at the time and not let it drop.

No idea how old you are. But for us who were young women in the 60s and 70s, and probably later- those complaints would be laughed at- such behaviour was accepted as the norm and young women not believed, or told not to make a fuss, and to even 'take it as a compliment'. Women just didn't dare complain- knowing it would be turned against them, too often. Oh, but you were asking for it, with that short skirt' etc.

petra

You couldn’t make this up.
His friends are claiming he’s Autistic. 😡

He definitely has an autistic son, he may be autistic himself. That’s not an excuse for his behaviour though.

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

I just said that was a funny way to put it - how is that misinterpreting anything?

Kirsty Wark has never said she was sexualised by Greg Wallace. News reports say he used sexualised language. No idea what the John Sullivan reference is about. Maybe you could explain Sarnia, and provide a link re Wark saying she was sexualised by Wallace, if I'm wrong?

You couldn’t make this up.
His friends are claiming he’s Autistic. 😡

Farzanah

Sometimes women did speak up in the past and were not listened to. It’s much easier to call out unacceptable behaviour now, so I think things have improved.
Remember all the girly calendars in offices?
I think we still have a way to go however.

All the girly calendars in offices ! Not just my office then...... The upper echelons in my firm had their own individual offices. One of the senior bunch famously had a "Playboy" calender on his wall. I'm a reasonably tough cookie but it made even me feel a bit uncomfortable.
This man's boss didn't like it( but the protocol was that censure had to be done at regional, not local level) so when the regional Boss came to check the books , he was deliberately placed in the office with the Playboy Calender. I think it was taken down after that.
Karmic story. In the general office one of the male juniors drew to our attention "the Page 7 fella" ( I think it was the Sun's attempt at equality to the Page 3 girl )and we were all giggling over it. Mr Playboy Calender came out of his office and saw it and didn't like this one little bit.
I bet nonone under 50 can believe that Girly Calenders in offices were permissible at all.
I know 'cause I was there.

Sarnia

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

I just said that was a funny way to put it - how is that misinterpreting anything?

I’m pleased to think that we are bringing up our daughters and granddaughters not to put up with this sort of behaviour and to call it out, older men seem to think their ‘ banter’ is an acceptable way to behave , I hope I’ve taught my sons aged between 50 and 36 better.

welbeck

some of these people victim blaming attitudes are sadly still found among some older women.
They don't seem interested in educating themselves about the issues.
Some have asserted that they don't know anyone who's been harassed. I pointed out that maybe for some obscure reason the people who have been harassed didn't feel comfortable confiding in them.
What is the age limit for jury service now?

I couldn’t agree more my 🤦🏼‍♀️ emoji is practically worn out.

vegansrock

A lot did complain at the time but it was swept under the rug

Agreed!

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

winterwhite

All this is very true and I know nothing about this man but I dislike these cases coming up out of the past. I think people should speak up at the time and not let it drop.

Winterwhite; apparently some of the complainers did take their complaints to the "authorities" .They were dismissed!

Honestly, until it was mentioned in the News, I'd never heard of him. Then again I've never watched Masterchef.

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

I can only suppose it was to do with hanging on to their jobs that women didn't speak up at the time.
However, I can honestly say that I have never been faced by situations like these other than with the females giving as good banter as they got!

Neilspurgeon0

@GrannyNannyWanny. It was “uncovered” if that is the right word by the BBC news team - presumably Kirsty Wark’s mates, so I guess they wanted to blow their own trumpets

I’m puzzled as to why you’ve included my name in your strange post 🤷‍♀️

It’s pretty disgusting really, isn’t it, when you look back and think of occasions when you were spoken to inappropriately by males in a more senior position than you at work?

I remember a particular creep of a boss I had the misfortune to work for when I’d only just started working. He’d pin me against the filing cabinet to ask me “how my love life was”(always making sure no one was near enough by to notice). I was a timid soul back then and just didn’t know how to respond. It’s all very well to say “speak out”, “ make them look ridiculous”, “call them out”, etc, etc - but when you’re a naive 18 year old and he’s your senior boss in his fifties, if you’re far from confident, as I was then, it’s not easy to complain. Besides, back then, I doubt I would have been listened to and likely would have lost my job.