Banned from having contact with grandchildren

It does seem harsh but sadly if they don’t agree to you seeing the grandchildren not a lot you can do about it

Violet Sky, in my family I was a girl with very clever big brothers who teased me . When I was a nurse if a patient teased me I knew she trusted me enough to do so. When I was a mother my sons tease me for some of my ideas and make me laugh and more often than not I come round to their way of thinking. Because we are all good hearted people and some ideas are better than other ideas.

I think the young parents ought to lighten up for everyones' sake.

Wow!
what happened to accepting differences between people?

No wonder we still have wars.......if a bunch of mature women can't get along what hope is there for the planet?
Fact is we don't all see things the same way.

My Nan was racist and as an adult I pulled her up on this.
Her response was heartfelt.
She felt direspected and pushed out of her community for a start.

I didn't agree with her, but I did learn that she had a valid point of view for herself. She had to move to be happier but so what?

I really didn't like the way some PP's assume that their opinions are the right ones and everyone else is wrong. I personally detest the Tories and the idiots who vote them in.

With my Nan I learnt that I can still love someone even with different views.
She never affected me or the way I think but she did help me understand a POV different to my own.

Isn't there a saying by someone like Socrates ? that the pain of an ungrateful child is sharper than a serpents tooth!

My daughter and I disagree on so many issues that I can't believe I brought her up!

It’s just a sad situation, yet another family estranged.

I suspect matters came to a head with the BLM protests. She is of course free to expand on what she has said and to tell us we’re barking up the wrong tree.

Caleo

Violet Sky wrote:

"What we need to be teaching children is that some views are not acceptable"

Yes, I agree. However what we don't want to teach them is that because Granny is silly we ought to be cruel to he.

Just like protests, family fall outs don't happen for no reason.

We all need to respect the feelings and boundiaries of others if we want to spendtime with them.

No one is entitled to others time I'm afraid and calling them cruel isn't going to make them feel warm and fuzzy

her

Violet Sky wrote:

"What we need to be teaching children is that some views are not acceptable"

Yes, I agree. However what we don't want to teach them is that because Granny is silly we ought to be cruel to he.

Not always no, but with so little to go on why assume that the OP is racist and if she is and has always expressed views her D finds abhorrent, why allow a close relationship to develop in the first place?

Smileless2012

You could be right GSM but we only have what the OP has told us to go on.

We rarely get the full story at the start, do we? If ever.

Another concern is that the focus is on the grandchildren, which suggests that daughter and SILs morals are so disrespected they aren't worthy as a loss...

Grandchildren would just go the same way, when old enough to express their views and morals

HousePlantQueen

The thread running through your posts is that you keep suggesting that you and your DD and SiL 'agree to disagree', you do not seem to ever consider that your political views are abhorrent to your DD, and if, as we are guessing, are racist, are abhorrent to most people. It's no good trying to sweep it all under the carpet, just in order to see your grandchildren, you need to examine your views, and maybe re-consider them. This is all very sad, for the grandchildren most of all who are being weaponised, but I really, really don't believe that you have been treated this way just because you expressed support for peaceful protest. Given the subject matter (BLM, statues, etc), I am assuming that your views, in contrast to your DD's, are right wing and she has had enough of what she thinks are rigid, racist views.

HousePlantQueen "Weaponised"? Odd, goes along with "used as pawns".

No, they're being well and truly protected from what you, also, presume as unacceptable "rigid racist views".

daughter did not like our views on certain political issues

Racism isn't political, it's wrong.

Surely people have evolved enough to realize children need not be subjected to people rug sweeping with objections that it's "sad" if BLM demonstrations become violent - I don't recall violence, just shutdowns and disruptions.

You could be right GSM but we only have what the OP has told us to go on.

The thread running through your posts is that you keep suggesting that you and your DD and SiL 'agree to disagree', you do not seem to ever consider that your political views are abhorrent to your DD, and if, as we are guessing, are racist, are abhorrent to most people. It's no good trying to sweep it all under the carpet, just in order to see your grandchildren, you need to examine your views, and maybe re-consider them. This is all very sad, for the grandchildren most of all who are being weaponised, but I really, really don't believe that you have been treated this way just because you expressed support for peaceful protest. Given the subject matter (BLM, statues, etc), I am assuming that your views, in contrast to your DD's, are right wing and she has had enough of what she thinks are rigid, racist views.

Tell that to the suffragettes

Quite right Norah. I find it impossible to believe that the OP did not say more than she is telling us.

You've quoted the OP Norah and she didn't say the protests were sad she said demonstrating violently is sad and unnecessary.

No debate

BLM protesters are motivated by concern regarding treatment of black people. I think anyone thinking the protests "sad" is indeed racist. I'd not wait for said person to express racism in front of my children - I'd merely permanently remove impressionable children from such people. No debate.

It wasn't directed at the OP smileless

Not sure that sarcasm will help the OP.

Really?

It was sarcasm Smileless

Don't understand the point of your post @ 11.33 VS. I'm sure petitioning the OP's D wouldn't be of any help at all so why suggest that some of us do?

Not sure how someone saying they think it sad and unnecessary to demonstrate violently can be regarded as racist Norah.