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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 15-Oct-15 11:54:32

Do you have to be a good mother to be a good grandmother?

Is it possible to be different as a grandmother than you were as a mother? Natasha Farrant believes so. Here's why...

Natasha Farrant

Do you have to be a good mother to be a good grandmother?

Posted on: Thu 15-Oct-15 11:54:32

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"They were supremely jealous of each other, and I once saw them engage in a bare-knuckled seafood eating contest"

Both my grandmothers were impossible women. One was a total eccentric, encouraged us to lick our plates clean after dessert and to sunbathe naked on public (non-nudist) beaches. The other insisted on always using a proper butter knife, but drank whisky with our boyfriends late into the night. The naked sunbather had a passion for horoscopes. The whisky drinker was never without a book, and was re-reading War and Peace for the third time when she died.

They were vain, selfish, snobbish and autocratic. They were impeccably dressed, perfectly made up and extremely glamorous (the one favouring bright colours and flowing cashmere, the other impeccable tailoring). They were supremely jealous of each other, and I once saw them engage in a bare-knuckled seafood eating contest, only barely disguised as a polite lunch in a quayside restaurant on the French Atlantic coast. "It tastes of the sea!" they cried, cramming their mouths as live creatures tried to make a run for it across the linen tablecloth.

With the passage of time, my grandmothers have acquired mythical status. Two world wars, emigration, bereavement, fortunes made, fortunes lost, a bombed house, a lost child, a tragic love affair. Summers spent with our feet in the sand, winter walks on foggy beaches, a medieval French town by the sea, a vegetable garden with tomatoes the size of apples, mysterious objects such as grapefruit spoons – grapefruit spoons! – belonging to past eras, a bright green Renault 5 stuffed with cousins, a string of badly behaved cocker spaniels…

Distant and neglectful of their own children, they were lavish towards their grandchildren and they have so stamped themselves upon my imagination that I have yet to write a book in which they do not feature.

Western society isn't great at marking rites of passage, or at defining major roles. In my own bumpy transition to motherhood, I didn't stop to think too much about the transition my own mother and mother-in-law were going through. Caregiver, babysitter, educator, treat-giver, confidante – what is a grandmother supposed to be? Nan, Nana, Gran, Grandma – Babushka, Granna, Mere. What is she even supposed to be called? In many countries, it is grandmothers who are the primary care-givers. Many women who come to work in the UK choose to leave their children to be brought up in their home country by their own mothers. Conversely, I have friends whose parents have told them not to expect help with their grandchildren – "I've done my time, now it's your turn."

Distant and neglectful of their own children, they were lavish towards their grandchildren


What role exactly should grandmothers play in their grandchildren's lives? My mother and mother-in-law's approaches to first time grandmothering were characteristically different. One became mildly affronted at the suggestion of routines to be followed ("I've had four children, I know what I'm doing"). The other wanted lists of instructions so she could replicate exactly what we did ("Everything is so different now"). I tried hard to relinquish control in the former case, and to assure the latter that what I wanted more than anything was for her to develop her own relationship with my child. I have been incredibly lucky that both women have wanted to be involved with my children from the very first day, each in her way providing precious support, including for lengthy periods during the school holidays.

As the children have become teenagers, they think nothing of hopping on a train to visit for a night or a week. They text, they email, they chat on the phone. They know that they can turn to their grandmothers for advice and support, and that they will hear a different message from them than from me. Sometimes I will agree, sometimes I won't, but that doesn't matter. As the girls grow up, they have to form their own opinions, and their grandparents are able to offer them different wisdoms and perspectives.

I am so grateful that for all the rows and differences between my parents and their respective mothers (there were many, and they ran deep), neither party allowed those divisions to come between grandparents and grandchildren. If they had, I would never have heard first hand stories of the war, or learned that it is perfectly acceptable to go out to buy fish in turquoise silk pyjamas. I would not have War and Peace on my bedside table, and I might not know that walking barefoot on the beach in winter is the best feeling in the world. I would not have travelled to France to kiss my grandfather one last time as he lay dying, or fed my grandmother raspberries in her final days, and I would not have the relationships I do with my cousins and uncles and aunts. They were both, in many ways, terrible role models. I certainly don't model my parenting on theirs, or even on my relationship with them. But that, to me, was never the point. For all their faults and eccentricities, my grandmothers opened my eyes to the world in ways that no one else could, and my children's grandmothers are doing the same for them.

What do you think is the principal role of grandmothering? I would really like to know.

Natasha's latest book All About Pumpkin is published by Faber, and features a very stubborn grandmother and her equally stubborn grandchildren. It's available now from Amazon.

By Natasha Farrant

Twitter: @NatashaFarrant1

absent Fri 16-Oct-15 21:47:20

I don't remember ever philosophising about being a good mother or attempting to define such a major role. I just did - and continue to do - what I thought was best for absentdaughter and me. Sometimes I got it right; other times I didn't. I haven't thought about defining my role as a grandmother either. I spend quite a lot of time with my grandchildren and we all seem quite happy about that.

Natasha Farrant writes with a delightful light touch about her eccentric grandmothers. However, there are those who genuinely agonise about being a good mother/grandmother instead of just getting on with it.

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 16-Oct-15 22:35:03

It's only in later years that my Mum has shared with me just how bad a mother her mother was - neglectful, neurotic and petty. Yet to me she was a brilliant granny (I only knew one as the other died before I was born). It's not as if I can't see the things my Mum described happening because I was well aware that my Gran was a 'dame' (right up to the day she died). It's more about the idea that by the time I came along as the first GC, I don't think my Gran still thought of herself as a mother, almost as if that time had passed. Two of her three daughters had been driven away and the DBS was in the Navy, so it was easy for her to move on to being a granny.

I honestly don't know if she loved me because I never thought about when she was alive, but I did love her and my Grandad. Until I moved from Scotland to England age 14 with my Dad's job, I still regularly stayed the night at their house even though I had to get two buses to get there. On my first morning in England I lay in bed thinking I would go over to see them that day (a Sunday) and then it hit me that I couldn't do that any more. My Mum's Dad was a lovely gentle man who held her family together and it broke her heart when he asked her once if she ever thought about coming back. She felt she'd left him to put up with my Gran alone.

So no, I don't think you have to be a good mother to be a good grandparent.

fluttERBY123 Fri 16-Oct-15 22:50:33

My mother was crap. I was a better mother than she was as used to think At least don't do what she did. My Gran was fab. I studied her and knew i would be a good gran, better than i was a mother, and so it has turned out.

absent Sat 17-Oct-15 06:45:57

The only person in the world who can judge, should she want to, whether I am/was a good mother is absentdaughter. The only people in the world who can judge whether I am a good grandmother are absentdaughter and her six children, should they want to. I don't think any of us think in those terms but we do all have a good time.

frue Sun 18-Oct-15 09:52:02

My mother left me at age 14 months when my brothers were aged 5 and two and a half. She was not allowed to see us for two and a half years and after that only in school holidays

She was a Superb grandmother to my daughter from the minute they set eyes on one another until she died - and a fun grandmother to all her 7 other grandchildren

Emelle Sun 18-Oct-15 13:01:16

This has certainly touched a raw nerve here! My mother has always been and at turned 90 continues to be jealous of me and so obviously favours my brother. She has been a reasonably good Grandmother even though she used to make me pay exorbitant amounts to look after her grandchildren. Having left me permanently scarred by her attitude to me I find it difficult to accept the children's' more favourable opinion of her. I do accept that but would like them to understand the damage she has done to me!

Bellanonna Sun 18-Oct-15 13:34:18

Some mothers do have a lot to answer for Emelle. I am quite shocked at the "exorbitant amounts" she required for childminding. However as your children have a good rapport with their grandmother I wouldn't spoil that. She is 90. Let them enjoy her company and maybe one day you could unburden yourself but I'd hold fire for now. She sounds a rather dominant lady and it,s sad, but probably not uncommon, that you had so much to put up with when you were growing up. Yes, my brother was favoured over me, but he and I are able to laugh about it now.

Bennan Sun 18-Oct-15 13:55:16

My maternal grandmother was a truly awful woman. She was uncaring towards her children, hated her SonsIL's, despised her husband and made life very miserable for everyone. As the years have gone by, I have realised that she was a deeply unhappy person. My parents, aunts and uncles were lovely people and made sure that she had as little to do with us as possible. Visits to her home were a misery for us kids as we to be 'seen and not heard', and in later life she had a leg amputated and had to be looked after so she came to live with my family. She didn't like me at all as I was too like my father for her taste and she made a pet of my younger sister and made it very evident. When she died, my mother and myself were the only family members at the funeral and I only went to keep my mother company!
I decided very early on that I would like to be like my mother and I have tried to be as good a Nana to my two GS's, whom I love very much, as possible.

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 18-Oct-15 14:07:08

Reading this thread makes me realise that many women who had children and were not good mothers also did not have access to reliable birth control like to be Pill. One of my closest friends thinks that although her mother did the best she could, she should not have had children. Maybe if they had their time now they would choose not to have children.

elfies Sun 18-Oct-15 14:35:07

My grans were chalk and cheese , one frightened me witless with her rules and discipline, the other took us to chase waves at the seaside , went out skipping on the street in her late fifties ,and believed mending a necessary evil, nearest threaded needle, any colour thread, a large cross over the hole, drawn together and knotted .
Guess which one I loved to bits , and hope to be like ?

downtoearth Sun 18-Oct-15 14:44:29

Mum was overwhelmed by motherhood,suffered depression could be quite cruel with comments and favoured my brother,I was told when you get married dont bring your stinking children round to me.
Unsurprisingly I learnt my mothering skills from a close friend whose children where the same age.
I made mistakes but made sure my children knew every day how beautiful and loved and wanted they where,somewhere the lines of being a mum and grandmother became blurred my DD had E when she was 18,she sadly died at 23 I have brought E up,at that time my son was only 16 when E was born..she herself is now 16,and now I find myself looking after my sons ex girlfriends 3 year old from her previous relationship one day a week (for free )she calls me nanny and loves me...my son now has some mental issues due to my daughters death and his closest friend committing suicide as well shortly after and I am looking for a home big enough for him and GD and my OH who not related to any of them so that I support him as well.....so if not a good mum I like to think I have done my best for all of my kids ....smile

Emelle Sun 18-Oct-15 15:03:38

I really do appreciate your advice, Bellanonna and I am trying hard not to let my negative experiences rub off on the children. As to the charge for child minding, I paid my mother just over a third of my daily rate as a supply teacher. In todays money that equates to about £60 a day which is more than a child minder and in those days I could leave in time to pick the children up about 4:00pm.

fluttERBY123 Sun 18-Oct-15 19:10:53

In spite of my poor relationship with my mother I did not spoil my children's relationship with her. They all got on fine. It was only, as has been suggested above, when they were old enough that I explained why they went to visit alone.

As that wonderful Jewish French author who wrote about exodus from Paris at beginning of second world war said, The children do not want or need to know the parents' emotional history. Something like that anyway and I wish i could remember her name.

Bellanonna Sun 18-Oct-15 20:06:14

Suite Francaise by Irene nemirowsi ? Plus some accents iPad and I can't do. Good book if that's the one you mean

fluttERBY123 Sun 18-Oct-15 20:32:26

That's the one, yes, very good indeed.

frue Mon 19-Oct-15 11:40:00

My mother left home when I was 14 months and my brothers 2 and a half and 5 and was not allowed to see us for two and a half years and then only 3 times a year in school holidays

She fell in love with my daughter - well, they fell in love with each other when they met when daughter 6 weeks old and she was a Superb grandmother to my daughter until she died aged 89. Also fun grandmother to 7 other grandhchildren and 3 step grandchildren

As a mother, I was haunted by fear that I would do the same. I didn't! Am now a happy grandmother and So Happy and Proud of what fantastic parents my children are turning out to be

Don't quite no what I'm saying except we do the best we can and often, it's much better than good enough

LesleyC Mon 19-Oct-15 17:18:30

I think I was a good mother but I find it quite hard being with my grandsons. They live in America and I see them twice a year, usually at their house. My daughter is a wonderful mother, but everything revolves round the children and what they want. There are differences in parenting there and so much political correctness and I often find myself being gently chided for saying something which I found quite innocuous. It makes me nervous of saying or doing the wrong thing and I don't find I am very spontaneous. Much as I love them and they are delightful children, I find it hard getting down to their level and being fun. I feel a bit detached from them really and think I am probably trying not to get too emotionally involved as I don't want the heartache if at some stage I can't visit as often. When they come to our house I do find it easier as I feel I can do and say things on my terms and also hubby is there to help out! I am about to become a grandma again soon to a child who will grow up near me and already I feel I will have a much closer relationship.