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Spaces after full stops. Anyone as old as me?

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Lovetopaint037 Sat 27-Jul-19 19:46:55

In 1956 and 1957 I was being taught shorthand and typing at my Central school in London. We were taught then to leave 3 spaces after a full stop and two spaces after a semi colon. It was second nature to me and although I retrained later on the habit continued. Now I read in the news that Reese-Mogg is instructing his staff to use 2 spaces after a full stop. Is there anyone old enough to remember the 3 and 2 rule?

Calendargirl Sun 28-Jul-19 07:51:05

I can still hear my English teacher saying about the use of commas

“When in doubt, leave it out”.

Nothing to do with OP really but.....

kittylester Sun 28-Jul-19 08:09:42

I'd forgotten indenting. I don't do that now!

Ariadne:said once that we are grown up to make our own rules now and we can decide to start sentences with 'And'. I do it quite a lot now.

Hi, Ariadne, if you are around.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 28-Jul-19 08:10:01

In primary school, we were taught that "and, so, but and because are joining words" as you say, and that therefore should not be used to start a sentence. It was a "rule" that was brought in to help small people structure their sentences I believe.

Later I was taught that, in order not to fragment sentences, you are better not using subordinating conjunctions. 'And', 'but', and conjunctions such as 'or' do not subordinate the clauses but words such as 'because' fairly obviously subordinate the clause they refer to. For all I know, those whose degree was English may have learnt yet other rules.

All in all, I wouldn't worry about it unless you are writing something official. Write as you want to write; lots of brilliant authors do exactly that. Also, you will find that for every opinion there will be a dozen others. It is clarity that is needed. My bugbear is people not using paragraphs as they help the speed of my reading. But in truth, the world will not come to an end because they don't and they may have something fascinating to say.

JackyB Sun 28-Jul-19 09:44:02

My mother learned to type in thee 1930s and always did 3 spaces after a full stop. I learned in the 1970s and it had reduced to 2 spaces by then. I couldn't do it any other way - as someone said - it's like breathing.

Also my mother leaned Greggs shorthand (which she could still read and write until recently) and I learned Pitmans.

Did you know that the Vogons wrote in Pitmans in the Martin Freeman film version of "The Hitchhikers Guide"?

JackyB Sun 28-Jul-19 09:46:40

Have just notice that there is only one space after my full stops in that previous post. Probably because I am typing with my index fingers on the screen of my tablet. My thumbs are programmed to do two spaces but not my fingers!

JackyB Sun 28-Jul-19 09:48:50

Also we learned not to use full stops and commas in addresses and after "Dear Sir" but we were aware that this was the "new" way of doing things.

Nandalot Sun 28-Jul-19 10:08:22

Yes, JackyB, that was the ‘new’ way.

My mum, a shorthand and typing teacher, taught me to type in the sixties, and it was definitely two spaces after a full stop then.

Nanny123 Sun 28-Jul-19 11:12:41

Yes I remember and indenting 5 spaces for a new paragraph

Hm999 Sun 28-Jul-19 11:16:02

I was taught typing in 1974, 2 spaces after full stop. It was dropped when we stopped using typewriters.

polnan Sun 28-Jul-19 11:16:18

I agree, 3 spaces at end of sentence...

so, and , then , but , because, no -no`s for starting a sentence

so when did this f word become popular,, not in this thread, I agree, but that is my pet rant!

and when should we use, "who" or " whom"

the latter is so.... victorian,,, grin

Lilyflower Sun 28-Jul-19 11:22:08

Gosh! Nver learned to type. Never knew this.

Grandmabeach Sun 28-Jul-19 11:24:07

Always two spaces after a full stop. I am appalled at some of the grammar I have received in letters. It seems some schools are still teaching two spaces. I asked my DGD, aged 7. She said they are taught to use two spaces after a full stop and added commas before a subordinate conjunction. I don't think I even knew what that was at 7.

Lupatria Sun 28-Jul-19 11:32:37

two spaces after a full stop and a colon - one space after everything else. still do it.
but i've stopped doing capital letters except in business correspondence - so much easier.
taught typewriting and shorthand in the 60s - still use shorthand today.

grannytotwins Sun 28-Jul-19 11:35:08

I was taught in the 60s to put two spaces after a full stop and still do. In my last job a memo was sent out to say only one space must be used after a full stop. I found it really difficult to remember and have reverted back now I’ve retired.

leeds22 Sun 28-Jul-19 11:39:01

I was taught to put 2 spaces after a full stop and still do. Personally, I'm more concerned about him demanding imperial measurements. Do people under 50 know how to use them, I struggle with them now and I'm 70. Perhaps he wants us to go back to £SD too.

allule Sun 28-Jul-19 11:46:19

Nice to know Rees Mogg has his priorities right....

Nvella Sun 28-Jul-19 11:51:14

I thought typing in an FE college and at the time you were marked down in RSA typing exams if you didn’t leave 2 spaces after a full stop. However with computers and justified text 2 spaces can look odd now - though I still do it.

Nvella Sun 28-Jul-19 11:51:35

Taught not thought!

NannyEm Sun 28-Jul-19 12:00:34

Kittylester I was taught to put two spaces after a full stop in typing lessons at school, and still follow that rule, but when computers took over at work and managers started to do some, or all of their own typing, they would sometimes not even put one space.

Theoddbird Sun 28-Jul-19 12:06:30

I was taught 2 spaces after full stop. I still do. I am 68.

inishowen Sun 28-Jul-19 12:08:28

I was taught to go in 5 spaces at the beginning of a paragraph. Then I went to work for the army and this was considered old fashioned. I also remember doing something like this at the bottom of a document oo00oo

libra10 Sun 28-Jul-19 12:09:05

I learned to type at college in the evenings, and the rule was two spaces after a full stop, and one after a comma.

Scottiebear Sun 28-Jul-19 12:12:15

I was a secretary and so learnt shorthand and typing in the early 70s. We were taught one space after comma, two spaces after a full stop. I find the grammar and spelling nowadays appalling, especially on social media or emails. And, whilst I know some people have difficulty with both, I also think many people are just too lazy to bother. I know plenty well educated, literate, people who send emails that are difficult to follow because they just haven't bothered to use any punctuation.

Happysexagenarian Sun 28-Jul-19 12:13:47

I also learned to type in the 60s and was taught 2 spaces after a full stop, one space after a comma, I still do it that way. I can't remember the rule for colons. I often find when typing online that double spaces are automatically reduced to one space. It just looks wrong to me. A big part of our typing lessons was the correct setting out of documents - line spacing paragraphing, layout etc. Even today my children often ask me to edit or draft letters for them because I just make them look better. I think it's sad that so many of these traditions are being lost to speed and technology.

Sparklefairydust Sun 28-Jul-19 12:26:35

I'd forgotten about indenting, always double space for paragraphs and always do 2 spaces after a full stop, even in texts, I can't not do it.