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Can you be told to volunteer?

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Lizbethann55 Sun 29-Nov-20 16:45:36

I did wonder about putting this on pedants corner, but here goes! And it is only half serious, though I think the issues raised are valid! I work for a local library and have been on furlough for much of the year. I actually miss my job and my regular borrowers very much and won't be sorry to go back. At the start of LD2 all the staff got emails telling us we may be "asked" to volunteer. (The ** are my addition). I haven't been asked. Maybe because of my age ;65, maybe because I don't drive or maybe because as I am getting older I am getting a bit less tolerant ( i. e. Downright bolshie) but my friend and colleague has. She has to sit in the entrance of the Town Hall by the registrars office and when people come in (strictly appointment only) , tell them to sanitise their hands and wear a mask and tell them where to go. She says it is the most lonely, boring, mind dumbing job she has ever done. There are very very few visitors. And it is from 8.30 to 4.30. Now it looks like our library may not reopen until the new year. My friend is horrified that she may have to do this until then, especially as they have asked her to do more hours anyway. So . My slightly tongue in cheek questions are. 1) can you be told to volunteer? Isn't that an oxymoron? " Temporary redeployment " is nearer the truth. 2) The council's reasoning is that we are being paid, so if we are needed to work our hours in any capacity, we should do so. A sentiment that I fully agree with. But, the council is only actually paying 20% of our salary, the government is paying the rest. So should my bored friend say she will only work 20% of her hours in this voluntary capacity? What do you think?

Grandmabatty Sun 29-Nov-20 16:54:44

If she doesn't want to do this, then she should respectfully decline. "This is not what I volunteered for," kind of thing. It may be that they are trying to hang on to volunteers by creating something for her to do. Has she explained to anyone how she feels about it? That would be her first step I think.

GillT57 Sun 29-Nov-20 16:58:16

Grandmabatty the people in question are not volunteers, they are furloughed staff.

Grandmabatty Sun 29-Nov-20 16:59:52

Sorry, I misunderstood. I assumed your friend was an unpaid volunteer. If she has been furloughed, then she should be saying that she shouldn't be working at all. However if she is being paid then her employer has the right to redeploy her as necessary. It's a sticky one as if she refuses, they may pay her off entirely.

Jaxjacky Sun 29-Nov-20 17:00:55

I assume she has a manager, so can she discuss it with them? Perhaps suggest the hours are reduced. I’m slightly biased as we’ve lost many of our libraries and next year our little local one will be run by volunteers only.

Nortsat Sun 29-Nov-20 17:21:54

Perhaps the management set the wrong tone by using the term volunteer. Furloughed staff are being asked to temporarily fill other roles in lots of Local Authorities.

I have a friend who works in a Local Authority Housing Department and she has been temporarily redeployed to making ‘courtesy calls’ checking residents are ok. Another colleague from the Library Service was in a Local Service Centre working on food parcels for the ‘clinically vulnerable’.

I think most Job Descriptions these days have a catch all phrase about being required to undertake ‘other activities deemed reasonable’. Thus your employers are likely to be within their rights to temporarily allocate people to other roles, even if they are boring and lonely roles.

Casdon Sun 29-Nov-20 17:30:30

Is she still on furlough? If she is, she would be on a sticky wicket I think until she has worked the number of hours that she was at home with nothing to do when the council were paying her through the pandemic. So if she’s full time that would be one day per week for the whole of the pandemic she could be expected to work, about 6 weeks of full time work?

WOODMOUSE49 Sun 29-Nov-20 17:37:05

I'm confused too Lizbethann55. You say you and your friend were furloughed but then she was asked to volunteer. Volunteers aren't paid. She must be receiving pay under the furlough scheme. If she is asked to volunteer to work more than her contracted hours and she agrees, then she will not be paid for these extra hours. That's her choice. Furloughed employees have to be asked to agree with any changes employer want to do.

Are you still furloughed Lizbethann55? Are you still getting paid?

If your friend is still getting paid but asked to do a different job then she needs to look at her contract when she started working for the council. Is she on a fixed hours contract? Does it state what she is employed to do?

Furloughs can now be flexible with hours changing but this has to be agreed with the employee. As a council employee you will both be in UNISON. Perhaps they can give you and her some advice.

I know of someone who worked full time and was furloughed . They are now working part time but still receiving furloughed money for the hours not worked.

PaperMonster Sun 29-Nov-20 18:12:15

As a public sector worker, there are additional rules about being furloughed, due to how services are funded. What your council is doing with your colleague is wrong as they’re asking them to work, whilst claiming Governmental assistance for their salary. I’d be reporting your employer to the tax office.

grandtanteJE65 Mon 07-Dec-20 14:22:41

What does the union say?

It is surely a matter for them.

Language wise you cannot be asked to volunteer, as doing so is voluntary, but obviously your place of employment is using volunteer instead of saying you can be told to do some other job than you usually would.

All she really can do is to say that the job is mind-numbingly boring and can she please do something else for the extra hours they now want her to work, which probably will be refused.