Second vaccine

Absolutely agree with toy calendar girl.

Alegrias1

^The companies producing the vaccine have tested it on the two vaccinations three weeks apart regime.^

That is incorrect. Pfizer presented their results showing what happened when you are give two doses around 3 weeks apart. They have said that they did not carry out experimentation on any longer gap. That doesn't mean it doesn't work

The JCVI, who are senior scientists with knowledge of immunology and public health, looked at these tests in light of all the other vaccines that have ever been developed in the history of the world. A longer gap is generally more effective, and certainly not less. They do what they always do - looked at trial results and decided how to act on them.

The Government aren't changing anything. Just forget the ""unethical" argument, its just wrong.

The problem here is, the government and scientists have now made a trial out of the population who didn’t sign up for being in a trial
Surely you see this?

What I see Summerlove is a group of medical and scientific professionals who have looked at data from a drug company that has shown then that they have access to a new drug with 90% effectiveness after one dose. There's nothing to suggest the immunity that the Pfizer vaccine gives you is in any way different to immunity conferred by any other process.

So faced with thousands of people dying, or the minute possibility that immunity conferred by the Pfizer vaccine is different to every other type of immunity from vaccines, ever, their expert recommendation is that delaying the second dose is the best option.

Only a few weeks ago there were vocal posters on here saying Pfizer couldn't be trusted, that they had lawsuits against them and so on. Now its all about how Pfizer haven't done a trial on this so we can't trust it. Any more testing Pfizer could have done would only verify risk data, it wouldn't make anything certain.

It's misleading to call the vaccine rollout a "trial" and underestimates the knowledge and experience of the MHRA in licencing and approving drugs.

Strange that Stanley, Murdoch, Jerry (64!) have had both - not?

EllanVannin You say "The 2018 'flu vaccination was proved as good as useless against the type of virus at the time." but the content of the flu vaccine is always a guess at which variation on the flu virus will be most common each year and need to be vaccinated against. and that "2019 was no better either when Covid struck." but why would you expect a flu vaccine to be any use against CoVid? Surely you don't think that CoVid is a flu?

ExD No-one has ever said that the current vaccines will stop you catching CoVid, only that they protect you against the worst effects. Who "led you to believe" that it would?

Covid shares the 'flu virus in that it attacks the respiratory system. The difference in both is that Covid is an easier and quicker spreader than ordinary 'flu.
We also have the pneumonia vaccination which should be taken up by those who suffer chest problems in winter, along with those over 60.

EllenVannin Coronavirus does more than attack the respiratory system. Many medics think that respiratory disease is a secondary symptom of coronavirus. It can attack vital organs such as the heart, kidney and brain directly. It would appear to cause blood clots which block oxygen. It's not just a quicker and more easily transmissable form of flu.

Elegran

ExD No-one has ever said that the current vaccines will stop you catching CoVid, only that they protect you against the worst effects. Who "led you to believe" that it would?

Unfortunately, some people did think a vaccine would be a magic wand.

I work in Social Care, where I work all staff have recieved the vaccine first dose, this was during December, we all had appointments for our 2nd dose next week which have now been cancelled. At present we have 4 colleagues Covid positive, we are all tested twice weekly and have every sort of strategy in place that you could think of for protection but still can't avoid the virus. All of the older adults we care for recieved the vaccine yesterday however we can't see any way that we can possibly relax our vigilance or the restrictions that our residents are living under for the foreseeable future, it's all very depressing.

I work in social care too, and none of "my" people have heard anything, as have none of the staff.

One 94 year old was offered it last week, but she declined.

Ex D

Are they telling us lies?

Almost certainly. The problem is working out which bits are lies and which are the truth.

Alegrias1

What I see Summerlove is a group of medical and scientific professionals who have looked at data from a drug company that has shown then that they have access to a new drug with 90% effectiveness after one dose. There's nothing to suggest the immunity that the Pfizer vaccine gives you is in any way different to immunity conferred by any other process.

So faced with thousands of people dying, or the minute possibility that immunity conferred by the Pfizer vaccine is different to every other type of immunity from vaccines, ever, their expert recommendation is that delaying the second dose is the best option.

Only a few weeks ago there were vocal posters on here saying Pfizer couldn't be trusted, that they had lawsuits against them and so on. Now its all about how Pfizer haven't done a trial on this so we can't trust it. Any more testing Pfizer could have done would only verify risk data, it wouldn't make anything certain.

It's misleading to call the vaccine rollout a "trial" and underestimates the knowledge and experience of the MHRA in licencing and approving drugs.

But people signed up for the vaccine being told they’d get their second after 3 weeks as that’s what best data said.

Now it’s up to 12 weeks, with assumptions it will work the same

That is putting people into an unauthorized trial.

I’m sure it will work just as well. But it’s still a trial as the company didn’t test it.

EllanVannin In saying what you did in your post at EllanVannin Sat 16-Jan-21 20:07:09 you show that you definitely misunderstand how a vaccine works. Flu and CoVid both affect the lungs, among other targets, but they are different things. A blow with a hockey stick or a fall on an icy pavement can both break a leg, but they are not the same. You can't play hockey with a pavement.

The flu vaccine works specifically against a flu virus, because the vaccine primes the immune system to recognise and attack that virus. The CoVid vaccine primes the immune system to recognise and attack the CoVid virus.

cathymum

I work in Social Care, where I work all staff have recieved the vaccine first dose, this was during December, we all had appointments for our 2nd dose next week which have now been cancelled. At present we have 4 colleagues Covid positive, we are all tested twice weekly and have every sort of strategy in place that you could think of for protection but still can't avoid the virus. All of the older adults we care for recieved the vaccine yesterday however we can't see any way that we can possibly relax our vigilance or the restrictions that our residents are living under for the foreseeable future, it's all very depressing.

Are you tested with lateral flow tests? Are they self-administered?