A story that makes me despair

"A good reason for making sure the Tories do not get their way and repeal the Human Rights Act." was IMO just trying to score political points. I have no problem with discussing HR in connection with this case, but not to score points.

I don't propose to get into political points scoring, so will duck out of this thread.

Thanks pompa - my main point in all this was that it was yet another example of how determined family members bring about justice when the system fails them - and there are many examples of this both small and large. My second point was that it's quite quite wrong that three policemen could retire/resign to escape disciplinary action. My third point is thst it's another example of police predujice against a 'certain type of young woman' which has happened before - look at how many young women Warboys rasped before he was caught despite his victims going to the police. I did also make the point about the HRA because it was absolutely central to this young woman getting justice (and other women being protected) .

Pompa - x posts - didn't mean thank you for ducking out - quite the reverse

But if people didn't make a point of highlighting what was happening with this new improved version is there not a chance that things could slip through that we weren't aware of and then it would be too late to do anything about it [I certainly didn't know about the HRA until I read about it on here]. And, I'm pretty sure that the posters that are informing people would be doing so whichever party were trying to change the original act. In 5 years time a lot of things might have changed or not changed and there are some items on the agenda that will not have changed or change will have been modified and everyone will point out that the scaremongers were wrong whereas, in fact it was the scaremongers that were reining in some of the ideas put forward. There isn't a dividing line between life and politics and people should be aware and critical of everything and that includes their own parties manifesto.

I don't think we are burying our heads in the sand, DJ, we are approaching it from a different viewpoint to yours. Not all of us see it as a party matter, with one wicked party wishing to abandon the populace and leave them with no redress for unfairness. That is YOUR point of view. Your colours are pinned to the mast and you take no prisoners, as you remind us several times a day.

Others prefer to apply pressure to their MPs to make sure that the replacement Rights Act is fit for purpose, if and when it in enacted. The old one should not be scrapped until an improved one is there to take its place.

Tegan (and others) There is a difference between making sure that whatever replaces the current Act is at least as good, and preferably better, and constantly accusing one party of planning to ditch the whole concept of Rightsand leave everyone vulnerable to exploitation. It is "grinding the faces of the poor, they will be against the wall come the revolution" soapbox rhetoric.

www.theguardian.com/law/2015/may/22/falconer-scrap-human-rights-act-thrown-out-house-of-lords-gove

I think I can safely accuse you of exaggeration, Elegran.
Several times a day?

It seems subjectively to be several times a day, DJ - you are ubiquitous in stating your views. It is certainly a lot!

The House of Lords appears to be on the case and being watchful. Good. That is what a second chamber is for, and the reason the members are there under a different system to the House of Commons- to give a different viewpoint and provide checks and balances.

Now we all need to contact our MPs to remind them to be watchful of our liberties, too.

Is your MP the one and only Labour one left in Scotland, Elegran?
SNP will vote against the government on this anyway, as will Labour. All we need is a few thoughtful Tories who do not want to lose their seats.

Another hostage there for you, Elegran.

No, mine is SNP, like all but one of the Scottish MPs.

Another hostage? I don't get that.

Another reminder of my views, then.

The Human Rights Act really is important.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/05/22/pick-of-the-week-the-tory-human-rights-act-attack

As GrannyTwice said, without it this girl would not have got justice. The Tories wish to get rid of it within their first 100 days, so there is not much time.

56 snp, 1 labour, 1 tory , 1 libdem.
Hostage?

confused

Elegran I'm with you re your 12:12 post, and further posts.

Personally I'm finding the incessant Tory bashing very tedious, like pompa I'm out.

Thanks for starting a discussion about this dreadful case GrannyTwice. I haven't read today's papers, or your thread but I did hear discussion about it on the radio yesterday. I share the views expressed by GT about the way the case was mishandled and the fact some of the detectives involved were allowed to resign, rather than face the disciplinary action they ought to have.

The HRA is of course relevant to what happened here, but so is the determination of the victim's mother, the victim's persistence and her lawyers support. Polarised left - v - right polemics detract from the significance of what happened here, which is that a young woman was raped and her allegation dismissed by the detectives, presumably because she fitted their prejudiced view of "trouble". I was also shocked that the force involved saw £20,000 as a suitable amount of compensation. Compare that to the huge amounts of compensation given to 'celebrities" whose phones were hacked (not defending phone hacking by the way)

Jingle, I know you didn't like The Detectives, the documentary about Greater Manchester Police services Serious Sexual Offences unit, because you said so on the thread where it was discussed. Most other posters commented positively about the detectives shown doing their difficult job and also about the fact it showed the processes and legal constraints within which they work. I wonder if you'd see these officers as "thick" (your post 22.05.15. 17.13) because they did have northern accents and didn't fit the newly qualified graduate so many feel make better police officers.

As it seems from your Guardian link at 12.16, durhamjen, any attempt to scrapthe HRA is unlikely to get past the Lords.

So I don't think we need to panic about the 100 days deadline!

Perhaps you ought to read it again, Ana. The Tory government can use the Parliament Act to force it on to the statute, if the Lords reject it.

Still not quaking in my boots...

Those on the right do not sneer...... I must try and remember that.

I'll let you have the last word, as usual!

Carswell has just said on radio 4 that he wants to see a new Bill of Rights.

A new Bill of Rights is fine, so long as it is a good substitute for the old one.

Excuse me but isn't resigning a form of disciplinary action in the sense that it's what people call for when someone fucks up in their job?

Bankers? MPs doing things they oughtn't? etc.

If a Bill of Rights was going to be a good substitute for the old one, there would be no need to get rid of the old one, would there? It would just make lots more work for no reason. They want to change it, not just substitute it.

www.bihr.org.uk/changestohra

The Human Rights Act is about universal rights. The government wants to bring in a British Bill of Rights. Why? Should our rights not be universal?