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Prisons -do we lock too many people up?

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suzied Mon 07-Nov-16 06:40:10

I know someone whose 60+ year old husband is at her Majesties Pleasure for what we might call a white collar crime to which he pleaded guilty and is very remorseful. He should be out in 12 months. My OH is writing to him and will visit. It's got me thinking- what is the point of locking someone up for 23 hours a day at vast expense in a violent dangerous place with not enough staff? Of course punishment is necessary , but surely society would be better served if non violent offenders were made to , say work full time for a charity, or helping other offenders with literacy etc. Why increase prisoner numbers and cut staffing? Surely that is a recipe for disaster?

DIORisme167 Mon 07-Nov-16 17:15:37

Victims do need to see justice being done - very important, Bound to add salt to the wound if the punishment is too lenient. I did hear tell of one chap who found the worst thing about being in prison was not having enough books to read! (I worked with his then girlfriend). There is a strong argument in saying that prison should be much tougher. I don't think I would constantly offend if I thought that life in prison was horrible. No colour television, no drugs or alcohol allowed in. Restricted visiting. I do think this would curb the number of "return visitors!".

Ana Mon 07-Nov-16 17:21:47

Well, no drugs or alcohol are supposed to be allowed in now but somehow some prisoners seem to get hold of them!

Nelliemoser Mon 07-Nov-16 17:55:53

Just make sure you never get stuck in jail in the USA. They appear to be really dire places.

grannypiper Mon 07-Nov-16 18:02:00

janeainsworth, yes they do have a nice time in prison, my brother has been inside so many times and has served time in borstal during the short sharp shock days and he has spent time in Barlinnie. He didnt mind the at all and life inside was a walk in the park and it certainly didnt stop him re offending. His crime was to constantly drive without a license and non payment of fines so he was never rehabilitated. He was just left to do his time and pass his days as he saw fit.

janeainsworth Mon 07-Nov-16 18:04:38

What do you think would have made him change grannypiper?

Ana Mon 07-Nov-16 18:05:51

Sounds as though it would have been cheaper and easier to give him proper driving lessons and pay for him to take and pass his test!

Ana Mon 07-Nov-16 18:07:57

Oh, unless I've got it wrong and he had lost his licence but continued to drive illegally.

daphnedill Mon 07-Nov-16 18:22:38

I agree with you, Ana. It sounds like a total waste of time and money to lock somebody up for not having a driving licence. Maybe the next time he gets caught the punishment should be not to send him to prison.

Jane10, Interesting what you wrote about a prisoner enjoying the structure and timetable. I wonder if that's why people with dysfunctional lives often enjoy the army.

DIORisme167 Mon 07-Nov-16 18:28:47

Ana, you are quite right. Drugs etc. are smuggled in. Surely,it cannot be beyond the authorities to sort it. I wonder if that would show a stronger stance and encourage prisoners to look for a better life. Not on its own of course but with other measures.

mumofmadboys Mon 07-Nov-16 18:33:02

It is said one in ten prison officers smuggle drugs into prisons. I wonder if this is true.

Jane10 Mon 07-Nov-16 20:21:06

It must be them. Visitors are frisked very thoroughly-phones handed in, bags left in lockers, pass through Xray type security etc etc.

gillybob Mon 07-Nov-16 21:18:30

It is absolutely true mumofmadboys together with mobile phones too.

gillybob Mon 07-Nov-16 21:19:23

Infact I would not be surprised if the figure is higher than 1 in 10 .

grannypiper Tue 08-Nov-16 11:40:55

Janeainsworth, Nothing ! he is just such a rebel, he doesnt see why he should be dictated too and hates the establishment. He is not a nasty person and would do anything for anyone. He only bucked his ideas up in his mid 40's when his wife told him if he went back inside she would divorce him.She booked him a driving test for the day after his ban was up, he passed paid all outstanding fines but he is a rouge and always will be.

janeainsworth Tue 08-Nov-16 11:58:01

Well it sounds as though the love of a good woman did indeed change him grannypiper.
wink

Rigby46 Tue 08-Nov-16 11:58:07

Driving without a licence means you are uninsured - so kill, injure someone, destroy property - nothing serious, just a rogue.

magpie123 Tue 08-Nov-16 13:18:53

Rigby46 rubbish. Say that if they smash you or your car up.

Rigby46 Tue 08-Nov-16 13:27:02

Oh dear maggie - did you not get my irony? Sorry

magpie123 Tue 08-Nov-16 13:33:38

No I didn't read grannypipers post.

daphnedill Tue 08-Nov-16 13:45:25

I agree with you, rigby, that persisently driving without a licence isn't a minor crime, but I'm not sure that jail is the answer, especially if somebody gets used to it and just sees it as a normal part of life. Maybe spending a few weeks in a locked room with the the only 'entertainnment' being watching the emergency services scraping RTA victims off the road might do the trick. I don't know, but it does seem that there are some people who hate authority for the sake of it and seem to think that traffic offences are some kind of curtailment of their freedom.

Rigby46 Tue 08-Nov-16 14:40:12

Being tagged with curfews weekends and evenings?