Report advises end to universal 15 hours free childcare

Anya i never said they had full pay leave, but if you check gov.uk you will find you can have additional leave to take you to 52 weeks. And yes you are right not all parents get child benefit, if they earn over £50,000 as a single parent they dont get it.Adults make choices so why should everyone else pay for their choices. I wouldnt say i was out of touch, i have a 30 year old daughter who is married with 2 children, she works 3 jobs just to pay the £850 a month rent on a 2 bed flat, her husband works full time also, they have 1 day a week together and dont complain or expect the world to hold their hand.
Anya you say i am hard and bitter ( dont know what i have to be bitter about) i am not at all, i know how hard it is to pay the rent, mortgage etc but i dont think it is fair that some couples work really hard and fore go having children because they cant afford them but have to pay for couples who do have them.There is a bottom to the pot

grannypiper ^ i dont think it is fair that some couples work really hard and fore go having children because they cant afford them but have to pay for couples who do have them.^
Because we live in a society.
Because one day those children will become the doctors, nurses, social workers, cleaners, shop workers or do one of the many other jobs which the childless couple need access too.
And because a well educated society is better for everyone.
Surely as an ex-teacher you believe that?

So stop slagging off hard working parents, or at least tarring them all with the same brush in almost every post, if you're so aware of their struggles. You come across as hard and bitter even if you don't mean to.

Is GP an ex-teacher?

According to her post this morning she had '48 in my class' - I was assuming she was the teacher Anya!

I was thinking she was a pupil in a class of 48 Jane

I don't think the 15 hours free childcare's been going that long Anya!

No it hasn't .

Certainly not enough for GP to us her own long-ago experiences of hardship and deprivation to back up her opnions in the 21st century. But then some people just love to play the 'they've never had it so good' card and the 'when I were a lass life was hard'.....just waiting for having to walk 5 miles to school wearing clogs

You have a very hard attitude to today's young parents Grannypiper
You seem very bitter and ought (sic) of touch with the hard reality of bringing up children in this day and age

Anya a very rude and personal attack on GP .

Can't you talk about the issues without spitting bile?

Pot black?

Really Mair ? You think that's 'spitting bile'?

I really think you ought to sit back and chill. There's not one word of my post which is rude and personal.... or it would be deleted by HQ. I'm not the one using words like 'spitting' (yuk!) or 'bile' (even yukier).

Saying someone has a 'hard attitude' or they seem bitter is hardly in your league

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07/02/2017 21:28 Mair
"Its amusing to see leftist posters...... hypocritically demanding it be spent on the better off, but also losing their tempers and making catty remarks"

Mair presumably this doesn't count as a personal remark, or spitting bile, because you didn't actually have the courage to name the poster(s) it was directed at?

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

So Mair when you say other posters are hypocritical, or accuse Anya of 'spitting bile' you are merely criticising their behaviour.
But when Anya observes that GP sounds hard and bitter, that is a personal attack?
How does that work?

Of course it is different,'hypocritical' describes behaviour while
'hard and bitter' describes the person; and do not ignore the ageist follow up mocking GP as being old and out of touch and even invoking the stereotype of a pre WW2 northerner in clogs. Not funny coming from one gran to another (if that is what Anya is!)

And then there is the question of degree. Accusations of taking a hypocrisy are par for the course in politcal argument but calling someone 'hard' and 'bitter' crosses a line into abuse. Nasty stuff.