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Fat people can only exercise naked !

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NanaandGrampy Thu 13-Jun-19 17:08:11

Saw an article in the Telegraph the other day about this :-

www.businessinsider.com/nikes-plus-size-mannequin-is-a-brilliant-business-decision-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

What I found surprising ( or maybe not) was the comments from journalist Tanya Gold in regard to Nike now selling plus sized sports wear .

"The new Nike mannequin is not size 12, which is healthy, or even 16 — a hefty weight, yes, but not one to kill a woman. She is immense, gargantuan, vast. She heaves with fat," Gold wrote.

I'm not posting to get into the usual debate about whether fat people are fat through their own fault instead I'm asking 2 questions.

Firstly, is obesity the last bastion of discrimination. If its not ok to make derogatory comments about culture, colour, race or sexuality is it ok to be abusive about weight?

And secondly, if exercise is good for you , doesn't it make sense that larger people have access to the appropriate clothing to do their exercise in?

Do you think Nike are breaking ground here with their new range ( even if you overlook that its probably an excellent marketing strategy) and that it should be available ?

My other thought was when will women stop tearing other women down. Regardless of size should we , as women, not be supportive of each other ? Or is that based on weight too?

I'm really interested to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:38:24

MrsAllboys
Here you are. Latest Bravissimo catalogue.
Both up to 40 with various cup sizes.
Many more online at Bravissimo.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:34:15

Tillybelle

?️‍♀️ ??

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:19:14

I buy my sports bras from Bravissimo or independent retailers who sell Prima Donna. 36GG. About £40-65. No movement at all and super comfy.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:12:27

I agree that the supposedly size 16 model is nearer a size 20.
She looks like an overstuffed sausage about to split the casing.

MrsAllboys Fri 14-Jun-19 22:37:06

I don’t know about the special gym wear, that’s probably personal choice but I do think that strong ‘sports bras’ should be easily accessible in larger sizes (eg 40 upwards). There are lots up to 36 (often with very big cup size) but not seen ones for, dare I say it, “fatter” ladies. How on earth are they supposed to do all these keep fit excercises or gym workouts without proper ‘support’ ? There are many heavier ladies who would be keen to exercise if they could have a decent sports bra to support their boobs while running or jumping around.

Elvive Fri 14-Jun-19 22:11:47

Nice.

petra Fri 14-Jun-19 18:14:32

NanaandGrampy
The fitting more in a gym.
My daughter has a personal trainer come to her house.
On the day the trainer comes she starts off her day by putting her Lycra on. She says it puts her in the frame of mind.
I must add that she's just about size 10 but feels unfit.

NanaandGrampy Fri 14-Jun-19 17:38:12

Only way I'd over take you rockgran was if that bull was chasing us both lol !!

I wonder if it makes people feel they are fitting in more in a gym environment?

rockgran Fri 14-Jun-19 17:29:27

Apart from a decent bra why does anyone really need expensive sportswear? A teeshirt and loose trousers would do surely! (To be fair - I'm unlikely to run unless chased by a bull!)

Rosina Fri 14-Jun-19 17:11:09

I am all for 'normal' women modelling clothing; as others have said size 16 is the standard size in this country, but I did have difficulty with a recent set of photos on the M and S site. I was looking for a raincoat (organising myself for the summer, and how sensible that was!) and saw a raincoat that possibly might have been the right one, but the model was so truly enormous that it wasn't possible to discern the style very well - if there was a belt, it had disappeared between her bust and hips, and I really couldn't get much of an idea of the overall design. She must have been about size 26 at the very least. All power to M and S for having models in all shapes and sizes, and this is no criticism, merely a comment.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 15:40:07

Sorry me again but just thought - have we said it before? - The news ladies, Weather, most adverts, and usually actresses in different types of dramas etc on TV are hardly ever fat or even a bit larger than slim. There are one or two - but the women appearing on my little screen do not by any means represent a cross-section of the sizes of women in the city street near me.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 15:35:49

willa45. I wonder if it will put people off buying the leggings? Seeing the look of them stretched large - even if a person is that size, might make some people think they don't want to look like that?
I would never display my body in so little clothing anyway - not at my age.

On the other hand, the advert I saw on TV for clothes for all shapes and sizes did cheer me up a bit. The clothes seemed pretty and cheerful and the live models were a variety of shapes and some quite large sizes and they looked very nice in the Summer clothes.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 15:29:03

The mannequin looks reasonably strong to me, like the disc and javelin throwers used to look. They are fit, just bigger. I think the idea of weight and size is misunderstood and makes a lot of people unhappy.

Obviously too much fat and an unhealthy diet is very bad. (I'm not a good example I admit). But as MOnica points out, some people are bigger and remain very healthy. This truly is a "one size fits all" situation that has gone wrong!!

Day6 Fri 14-Jun-19 15:07:23

But I still think that if clothes come in all sizes then why wouldn’t exercise clothes too ?

I just do not see the need for tight, stretchy fabrics on large women.

Why? Why anything clingy? It's a fad. I know fabrics today absorb sweat, allow air in, etc, but so does a good old loose fitting cotton T shirt which also hides the flab.

I know we women have become completely brazen of late wink so we shouldn't body shame, when a huge woman strips down to a bikini. I wish I had that self-confidence, but with the best will in the world, an overweight body, flesh on show, is not a pretty sight.

I also know we are supposed to love ourselves, but personally I think it's a huge commercial con to sell skin tight sports garments to the overweight.

People tend to buy into these fads too.

I can burn just as many calories in clothes that don't hug my body.

In fact, I ought to go and market my more flattering sports wear for the fat woman/man.

Day6 Fri 14-Jun-19 14:58:31

Erm - re above - not a sports bra, more a Lycra crop top.

Day6 Fri 14-Jun-19 14:57:09

I have often wondered why women starting out on a fitness regime (if they are overweight) feel the need to wear sports clothing - ie- stretchy Lycra, which is figure-hugging and shows every bulge, lump and bump. It isn't flattering. I watched a very big woman huff and puff, red faced, around the park. She drew attention to herself as she wore a sports bra which unfortunately meant her several rolls of abdomen flab were on show. Her huge thighs were highlighted by leggings which were so tightly stretched over her ample thighs and bottom that they were almost transparent. shock

It is not a good look and it couldn't have been comfortable either. I may be speaking only for myself but I really wouldn't want to draw attention to my (unfit) efforts looking like that.

I am not criticising the woman, (good on her for exercising) just their choice of exercise gear. I am another who huffs and puffs on exertion and I have a supply of loose, baggy T shirts and cotton (tapered) trousers for my exercise sessions. The sportiest I get is to wear my trainers!

I do not want to add to my rather unflattering look when I start to get red and sweat. I would look hideous in sports gear.

However, I am aware we should not criticise our sisters in their efforts to get fit - so to each their own, but I shan't go anywhere near Lycra and tight skinny clothing until I have less flab on my body.

willa45 Fri 14-Jun-19 14:06:54

I agree with others here that Ms Gold's comments were judgmental and that she body shamed large women everywhere. Shame on her!

Having said that, I did find Nike's mannequin display to be condescending. Why? Because the underlying message is this .... "We can tell you are exceptionally large, so in order for the world to know how sensitive we are to your condition, we are displaying this over sized mannequin in your image, wearing these very large leggings so that everyone can see how big they are and that we had to make them especially for you!"

So, yes it's a good marketing strategy because of it's shock value and that's the other thing that's disturbing. It would be the same as if the now defunct Victoria's Secret were to promote a Mastectomy bra by creating a mannequin with a missing or lopped breast. The outcry would probably create enough publicity to sell millions of bras! Nike's mannequin will likely sell plenty of leggings but I for one will not be buying any.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 12:11:14

P.S. GabriellaG54. I am supporting one woman over 7st. yes... me....

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 12:10:11

GabriellaG54 {grin] grin grin

FC61 Fri 14-Jun-19 12:02:03

Ofcourse larger people should have access to the appropriate clothing to do their exercise in ! Well done Nike ! Inclusive not exclusive! I loathe abusive people doesn’t matter what it’s about , fat, age, race, gender.

Minerva Fri 14-Jun-19 11:41:20

I don’t know what happened there but apologies?

Minerva Fri 14-Jun-19 11:40:39

I don’t know who Tanya Gold is but I’m not surprised since she writes for the Telegraph.

I’m a size 14/16, 5ft9in tall and very slim so calling size 16 ‘hefty’ is silly for a start.

I go to the gym and we have loads of larger ladies there, needing bigger sizes of gym wear and I think they will love to be able to buy proper gym clothes rather than having to wear a baggy tee shirt and leggings. I know Adidas are not producing clothes to fit the mannequin out of the kindness of their heart but bully for them anyway.

I don’t know who Tanya Gold is but I’m not surprised since she writes for the Telegraph.

I’m a size 14/16, 5ft9in tall and very slim so calling size 16 ‘hefty’ is silly for a start.

I go to the gym and we have loads of larger ladies there, needing bigger sizes of gym wear and I think they will love to be able to buy proper gym clothes rather than having to wear a baggy tee shirt and leggings. I know Adidas are not producing clothes to fit the mannequin out of the kindness of their heart but bully for them anyway.

Does Ms. Gold mean that larger woman going to the gym appropriately dressed is going to make us slimmer beings think, what’s the point in keeping slim since I can buy plus size gym gear. How silly is that.

My daughter had a serious accident and the immobility for the best part of three years and the effect of the medication left her overweight and she was too embarrassed to go exercising. Fat shaming is just nasty whether it’s men or women.

Margs Fri 14-Jun-19 10:52:13

Yes, in all adverts for Gym & Fitness centres the "typical" clients in the photos all look like dead ringers for the entire cast of "Friends"!

Not a spare ounce of fat, Hollywood teeth & hair and no-one over 29......

moorlikeit Fri 14-Jun-19 10:37:53

Shaming people never works so maybe a more positive approach will have a better effect.

jaylucy Fri 14-Jun-19 10:14:45

It's about time that "fitness clothing" was made for people over a size 18 - what people are expected to wear to exercise in, to lose weight I have no idea !
As for discriminating against "fat" people- I once went for a job interview at a hospital and the woman in charge said that maybe the job (admin) would not be suitable for some of us as it was only a small office and 2 people needed to work there , so she would be happy if we would like to leave now ( there were 3 of us that were above a size 12) we all stuck it out and were taken to an office similar in size to where we'd be working - both girls already working there were the same size as me!