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The "will of the people"

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GracesGranMK3 Thu 08-Aug-19 17:06:13

This little phrase seems to be the answer to everything. Listening to someone talking on Sky this morning I had to agree that "the will of the people" is neither immutable, singular or sovereign and yet people have been convinced it is.

Why has this not been challenged by the press, the opposition, or anyone with some clout? How can we destroy the lie?

crystaltipps Sat 17-Aug-19 08:50:05

I’m not holding my breath waiting for the benefits of Brexit to appear in my lap - maybe someone could tell me what these are? ( answer: no you can’t) Basically if we have no deal on October 31 it will be only the beginning of years of negotiations to leave us in a worse position than we are now.

Davidhs Sat 17-Aug-19 09:00:36

I think that sums it up nicely

growstuff Sat 17-Aug-19 09:43:16

Indeed, crystaltipps, and the cultural chasm which has opened up will take decades to heal.

POGS Sat 17-Aug-19 10:59:59

Monica

'Boris, the bully he is, doesn't give a toss for anyone and is happy to trample nearly half the electorate into the ground just to have everything his way.'
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Can I ask politely.

Why do you think Boris Johnson voted for the EU/UK Withdrawal Agreement which would have hopefully lead to there being' A DEAL '.

Parliament voted against the EU/UK Withdrawal Agreement putting the UK into a position of there being ' NO DEAL '.

varian Sat 17-Aug-19 11:55:18

Political parties are showing partisan, highly charged adverts to teenagers on Facebook and Instagram, Sky News can reveal.

The Children's Commissioner has described the practice of targeting young people as "irresponsible".

Sky News has seen 208 political ads shown to 13 to 17-year-olds on Facebook and Facebook-owned Instagram, where advertisers can target campaigns according to age.

The majority of the ads came from the Conservatives, which showed 102 ads to teenagers, mostly featuring Boris Johnson.

news.sky.com/story/teens-exposed-to-highly-charged-political-ads-on-facebook-and-instagram-11786042

This is the way the "will of the people" is being steered, predominently by the right. How can we control it? Or if we can't control it how can we educate young people to be aware of covert malign influences?

POGS Sat 17-Aug-19 12:23:40

Varian

"This is the way the "will of the people" is being steered, predominently by the right. How can we control it? Or if we can't control it how can we educate young people to be aware of covert malign influences?"
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It is a fact that ALL parties are ' harvesting ' Information. If you think the party you support is not targeting you if you are a member, on twitter/Facebook etc. you are simply shutting off from reality.

An example :-

Emma's Diary gathered data on more than a million people, according to the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), which issued the fine.

Labour used the information in the run up to the 2017 General Election.'
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Happy to be corrected if that is misinformation.

As for young people I hope they are more astute than our generation as to misinformation/political persuasion being directed at them, from' whichever ' party. I say whichever party because ALL parties are using social media as the tool of choice.

If you think it is as simple as accusing only one party then think again it has been common knowledge sections of the population are targeted including the' youth vote '.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40244905

varian Sat 17-Aug-19 12:38:02

I agree that all parties do this to some extent but there are two issues, quite apart from the content of these messages. One is the covert nature of this propaganda and the other is the sheer scale of the right wing messages and inbalance between parties, reflecting the power of money, including finance fron very dubious sources.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 17-Aug-19 12:40:44

The internet genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

Every political party uses the internet for its own advancement as do large corporations, unfortunately that is how they operate in the 21st Century!!

varian Sat 17-Aug-19 13:59:33

The Britain of 2019 is unrecognisable from the country of four years ago. A Brexit that in 2015 meant a Norway-style single market has come to entail our total rupture with every EU instrument, body and law, at any political, economic and human cost. Since the referendum, the Brexiters have refused all compromise. The hardline fringes have hijacked a slim mandate and reinterpreted it in the most extreme way available to them. No deal is the all-or-nothing corruption of a democratic vote, and revocation is its democratic answer. Like every other outcome, it will provoke a sustained political crisis. But in the end it may be the only way to save the economy – and people’s lives.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/07/stop-catastrophe-no-deal-brexit-revoke-article-50