Damage done to the UK ALREADY following the elction

Hasn't Growstuff just explained about the 3.5 million in her post at 05.59?

Yes she has but not everyone seems to get it.

What's your good reason Oopsminty. I've already explained that the vast majority of that 3.5 million are:

a) students or schoolchildren
b) caregivers or homemakers
or
c) severely disabled or ill.

68,000 25-65 year olds is an absolutely tiny percentage. Some of them won't have ever needed to work because they have private income, so it leaves very very few in the "lazy bums who have never got off their backsides to look for paid work" group.

So what's the reason for your amazement?

I haven't made up the data I provided and I've given a link for anybody who doesn't believe me or wants to read more.

Oopsminty By the way, I don't understand the claim that the Conservatives are doing magnificently with employment. The figures have actually remained quite steady and the quality of work (security of contract, pay, conditions, etc) is beyond the scope of this report.

So much for all those pesky foreigners taking our jobs. They haven't made any difference to the number of people employed.

''Jura2 I am not condoning the plastic going into landfill etc. but this happens all through the year - weddings, parties, halloween etc. Shouldn't we rethink all those too?''

yes, we should, for sure.

vote.conservatives.com/our-plan

This has the full Tory Plan. If they don't deliver, people can choose to vote for someone else. Labour have always been the party to spend and borrow and leave the country in debt, and traditionally the conservatives come in and pay the debt back. Obviously everyone loves some free money, whether that is less tax, more benefits, or whatever, but ultimately someone has to pay for it.

I think we as a nation are generally pretty well off. Yes things are more expensive. We also have more pensioners to pay for, more disabled people to pay for, more income support to pay. But when I see people on forums saying they had to use food banks, well, I would say that wouldn't have happened a few years back. People would have cut back on today's "necessities". There are of course people out there who do need food banks because of some problem with claiming benefits. There was definitely a problem with the changeover to Universal Credit. But on the flipside, I see loads of people having kids, loads of people with new clothes, mobile phones, Sky TV, eating out, etc. who then claim to be so broke they can't afford food.
When I could barely afford to live, I turned off the heating, found the cheapest most basic place to live, worked every hour possible, and lived on rice plus whatever else was cheap. I survived. Nowadays people tell me that you can't live without a phone or heating and that you can't live on "hardly any" food. Yet most of the population is obese.
So - I have great sympathy with those who really need help not getting enough. They should get more. And I have no sympathy with those who moan but could actually cope if they bothered to help themselves.

Good for you Razzy!

However, I'm a bit curious about how you work out that country has more income support to pay for. It doesn't.

I also don't know how you work out that the Conservatives doesn't get the country into debt. It does. The national debt has more than doubled over the last ten years.

I'd also like to know how anybody can afford new clothes, mobile phones, Sky TV, eating out, etc. if they're receiving £73.10 a week plus child allowances for a maximum of two children. How do they do that? They must be amazing at budgeting.

Are you aware that the vast majority of people claiming benefits for children are in work and have been in a relationship, which has broken down or they've been badly affected by illness, disability or sudden unemployment?

BTW A diet of rice would quickly make somebody obese and malnourished, which can go hand in hand. Are you aware that older people are more obese than younger ones? Most of the population isn't obese anyway.

welfareweekly.com/iain-duncan-smiths-directory-death/

I knew Karen Sherlock and she was treated abominably by the DWP

Liverpool aren't going to go away and keep quiet!
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/surprise-fk-tories-rave-takes-17513712?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR2yqOxGdNYDmqNcJHy0K8WthoPJJZKe--sqSDTbAkVBizYlJwxKK_4ALwA

LONDON (Reuters) - Assets worth around a trillion pounds are moving from London to hubs in the European Union ahead of Brexit, with the parallel shift in jobs likely to top 7,000, consultants EY said on Wednesday.

Banks, asset managers and insurers in London are opening or expanding hubs in the EU to avoid disruption from Britain’s departure from the European Union.

Britain is legally due to leave next week, but the British government is asking Brussels for a delay.

In its latest Brexit Tracker, EY said that 23 companies have announced the transfer of about a trillion pounds in assets, up from 800 billion pounds in the last quarter.

Have met several people with very high profile City jobs over the festivities- all say things are dire at the moment.

Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year.

Yes, but jura, people have been conditioned to think only the metropolitan elite will be affected by the loss of City jobs.

To be fair, some City people are rubbing their hands in glee. It depends what their involvement in finance is.

Hitachi in Durham are losing jobs-https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hitachi-job-losses-durham-breaking-17540735
And Nissan in Sunderland are warning that the future is uncertain. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51064599
The future is bleak

Link www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hitachi-job-losses-durham-breaking-17540735

ah well as long as Big Ben bongs - sure they will hear it all the way up there.

Thanks for the updates. I don't think we will be told by the powers that be for some time - probably when it's too late to do anything about it.

Having said that I don't think most Brexiteers are bothered if they got it right or wrong; they just wanted to win.