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Fishing industry being destroyed

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vampirequeen Thu 14-Jan-21 09:05:20

Imagine that you are the fishing minister for the UK. It's Christmas Eve. You get sent the EU Brexit agreement. This is your one shot at making sure everything is OK for the industry you represent.

Do you:

a) Read the document...esp the parts pertaining to the fishing industry to ensure that all is in order and there is nothing that you need to raise with Cabinet or elsewhere?

b) Wander out during lockdown to set up a Nativity Trail so that lots of other people can wander about during lockdown?

Now which choice do you thing Victoria Prentis the fishing minister made?

This is what she said when questioned:

Asked if her jaw had dropped when she saw the deal with the EU on Christmas Eve, Prentis told the Lords EU environment subcommittee: “No, the agreement came when we were all very busy on Christmas Eve, in my case organising the local nativity trail.

“We had been waiting and waiting, it looked like it was coming for probably four days before it actually arrived.

“I, for one, had gone through, as I’m sure members of this committee had, a gamut of emotions over those four days.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/13/fisheries-minister-admits-not-reading-brexit-bill-as-she-was-at-nativity

Fennel Fri 15-Jan-21 15:52:08

As someone who is interested in this topic (we eat a lot of fish) but not an expert, is this correct? ie as follows:
The most popular fish in the UK are cod and haddock, and these are the ones being affected by the shared waters with France.
There are many fisheries off our south and west coasts which aren't affected by the new agreement. Hake is caught there (similar to cod and haddock) and as someone said, mackerel, and other healthier oily fish.

Sarnia Fri 15-Jan-21 16:32:58

I have been watching the current TV series about the Cornish fishermen. Edward Heath hung them out to dry years ago resulting in a huge reduction of fishermen and boats. The vast majority of them voted Leave because they are desperate to keep the industry alive and attract young people to become fishermen. Life has been very hard for many of them. House prices are sky high with people buying up property for holiday and second homes, leaving the locals unable to compete. They were hoping for a minister who would fight their corner but got lumbered with Victoria Prentis, just another no-hoper in a long list. Our fishermen deserved better than this deal.

Alegrias1 Sun 17-Jan-21 11:18:20

By John Ashworth - leading light in the organisation "Fishing for Leave"

"Deal is so bad we'd be better off staying in the EU"

The penny has dropped....bit late though....

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/brexit-fisheries-deal-its-so-bad-wed-be-better-off-staying-in-the-eu/

Deedaa Sun 17-Jan-21 17:44:26

Well that's all right then. Dominic Raab (what does he know about fishing?) has told Andrew Maar that there are no problems and they certainly aren't caused by Brexit! He was also boasting that the government will be pouring £100 million into the fishing industry. Isn't this £100 million that we wouldn't have had to spend if we were still in the EU? I still see no sign of Brexit saving us any money, just endless expense.

MaizieD Mon 18-Jan-21 11:49:21

Protest in London today

news.sky.com/story/brexit-shellfish-lorries-park-near-downing-street-as-new-rules-cause-severe-delays-at-eu-border-12191385

varian Mon 18-Jan-21 12:31:06

Who are these fishermen anyway? They didn’t go to Eton, they didn’t attend either of the universities, and they don’t belong to any London gentlemen’s clubs.

felice Mon 18-Jan-21 14:57:29

I also have close family in Scottish fishing and also live in Brussels.
Farage only attended a handful of plenary sessions on fishing in the Parliament, preferring to veto and waste his vote.
He of course was very happy to take his salary from the UK taxpayers.
He held court in most of the bars in the Schuman (EU) area until he gradually was barred from all of them.
He would sit at the bar in Kitty O'Sheas and loudly proclaim his views.
I entered once with a friend and he called give those people a drink on me.
My friend had his brain switched on and replied, no thanks I prefer to choose where my taxes go and it is not down peoples throats.
He is an unpleasant man and was surrounded by syncophants and others taking taxpayers money for their own gain.
I wonder where he will go without his dear friend Trump.

felice Mon 18-Jan-21 15:02:44

Sorry that should be your vote, after all he was an Elected MEP.

varian Mon 18-Jan-21 17:41:51

I just cannot understand why anyone connected with the fishing industry could ever have voted for Farage, who clearly did not give a toss for them or their industry.

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 17:55:17

Peasblossom

I’d like to comment as someone whose family has been involved in fishing for over a hundred years, mostly trawler men.

The deal is not what was hoped for in that the concession to fish in British waters is greater than was wanted and goes on for longer than was wanted. It’s a big disappointment.

BUT our fishing industry when we were in the EU was without hope. That’s why the vast majority of fishermen voted leave.

So if you’re saying fishermen should have got a better deal, I agree.

If you’re saying they were better off in the EU. You couldn’t be further from the truth. Nobody in the fishing industry would want to go back to what was before.

There seems to be a difference of opinion Peasblossom, between what you are saying on behalf of the fishing community and what the Chairman of the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations is saying on their behalf.

Now I wonder who knows most about the industry?

varian Mon 18-Jan-21 17:59:26

The problem was that British fishing quota was allowed to be sold to other countries.

Other EU countries which did not have Farage as their useless representative on the EU fishing committee did not allow their national fishing quota to be sold abroad.

I believe that one Dutch company now owns one third of the UK fishing quota - because they bought it from UK fishermen.

Dinahmo Mon 18-Jan-21 18:55:42

We are now nearly 3 weeks into the new system (early days yet as one or two people are prone to state) and the fishermen have demonstrated outside Westminster today because their industry is very quickly being destroyed.

Another GNer has told us that the form filling is easy but one seafood exporter has said he has to fill in 400 pages.
Simples!

I heard one today on James O'Brien who makes childrens' furniture which she exports to France. She said that dealing with the red tape is like she had to do before we joined the EU whereas between now and then it was quite straightforward.

MaizieD Mon 18-Jan-21 20:55:08

Apparently Jchnson has told the very angry fish people that they were filling in the wrong forms

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

I'm sorry, but to think that there are people in the UK, people on this forum, who might think that he is making a reasonable point, just fills me with absolute horror. The contempt for people's intelligence and the unconcern for the position they find themselves in is unspeakable.

What worries me is that the government might not be able to do anything about this. The Trade Agreement hasn't been approved by the parliaments of the Member States and probably won't be until March/April. I'm wondering if it would be permitted to change any part of it before it is approved? Negotiations to improve this situation might have to wait.

(There is an alternative possibility, but I'll leave someone else to come up with it... it's not nearly so gloomy...)