Women suffer at least 26 sexual crimes on average in their lifetime

But at the end of the day the key to any survey is a properly based sample. if you do not have that this survey is reduced to the kind of surveys done by manufacturers to say that 9 out of 10 women prefer their product

Absolutely.


I am sorry if your own personal experiences have been so dreadful, Loislovesstewie and hope that life is better now.

It's not a survey. But carry on criticising it for not doing something it never set out to do in the first place.

If it is not a survey, then what on earth is it?

M0nica

If it is not a survey, then what on earth is it?

It's a study.
A study from which they extrapolated possibly erroneous information.

Semantics

It's a "study" apparently. If a questionnaire about violence is posted on a website for victims I don't think the results of that questionnaire can be regarded as providing accurate data of the experiences of all women. Women who are not victims will not access the site or answer the questionnaire. It isn't questioning the experiences of the women who have volunteered answers to debate about the value of the research. No woman should be subjected to violence at any age. And all the accounts should be regarded as important. They just shouldn't be used as examples of the experiences of all women.
Some of the examples of violent actions must surely be questioned as well. Can we really say "cat-calling" is a violent action? My dictionary defies violence as behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something There is no physical force involved in cat calling.

It looks like survey, it reads like a survey so to mind it is a survey. I have conducted and written dozens of such surveys in my life. I know a survey when I see one.

I have done the freedom program as part of my job and I get a bit exasperated by thread like this and what about the men
gah!
Men hide women's shoes and clothes so they cant leave the house, it might be one of your neighbours. Stop defending men before you have listened to women or even understood why they behave or act like they do

No-one has defended men.

They have questioned whether the conclusions reported by the study/survey are correct and, if not, if they do a disservice to the victims of violence.

M0nicaDo you think they imagine calling it a "study" makes it more academic? Are surveys common?

Surveys are happening all the time. Every school child and every university student seems to do one at some time or another. It seems to be a rite of passage.

For most of them the questionnaires are badly designed and worded. You can see this from the student surveys that get posted on GN. Although there was one recently that was excellent - and I completed the survey and posted how good it was.

The words used to describe a survey someone has undertaken are neither prescribed nor proscribed. You can call it anything you like, or nothing at all

In this case a survey with a very flawed sample has been undertaken and the results have been summarised and a few conclusions drawn. Call it what you like. It is a survey.

As Callistemon says, criticising the survey does not mean anyone is condoning or diminishing male violence on women. On the contrary, we are saying that this very grave and serious topic justifies a thorough study, not this slipshod survey.

I understand and apologise. So many people make apologies for men's poor behaviour even before it manifests into violence that I think it makes me a bit defensive, sorry.

JaneJudge How generous of you

JaneJudge, anyone with first hand experience of working with (or experiencing) domestic abuse will share your frustration. So many discussions on here about the abuse of children and women by husbands, fathers ant partners result in attempts to understand, deny or minimise the dreadful abuse perpetrated by men.

So many discussions on here about the abuse of children and women by husbands, fathers ant partners result in attempts to understand, deny or minimise the dreadful abuse perpetrated by men.

Iam64 You clearly belong to a GN in a parallel universe. I have yet to see anyone on GN do the above in a post or a thread.

My father was a violent, abusive alcoholic. I was, and still am, traumatised by my childhood. People sometimes say 'Oh it was different then. A lot of men were like that. You need to move on.' Whatever that means.

Witzend

I feel sorry for whoever got all mine, then.
I can really only think of one, which was certainly very unpleasant.

But that’s not counting the odd grope, which although not nice, I wouldn’t count as ‘violence’.

Groping being dismissed. Nuff said.

MOnica, I don’t exist in a parallel gransnet universe. I have seen posts in response to discussions about abuse to women and children that seek to understand the perpetrator, to deny it happened or minimise.

Iam64

MOnica, I don’t exist in a parallel gransnet universe. I have seen posts in response to discussions about abuse to women and children that seek to understand the perpetrator, to deny it happened or minimise.

I’m in that parallel universe with you if it exists. ??

Trying to understand the perpetrator seems quite reasonable to me. if you understand why someone acts a certain way you are halfway to knowing how to change their behaviou.

However understand the reason for someone's actions does not mean that you either deny or minimise the crime, just try and do something towards ensuring that no one else suffers at the hands of that criminal.

MOnica, of course understanding why abusers behave as they do is important in their treatment. My point remains - what about their victims