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The "Right" see poverty and wealth as marks of "character" ;, the "Left" see them as marks of circumstance.

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DaisyAnne Thu 05-May-22 08:34:12

I am getting very simplistic in my view of this at the moment. I thought you might like to expand on this for me.

The third leg of this thinking is that the centrist will see some of each. The centre-right would see both but lean towards the individual's character. The centre-left will see both but have a bias towards the circumstances of life.

I'm sure some will want to point out that it shouldn't have taken all this time to realise this truth - if it is one. Well, no, it hasn't. Lots of other thinking has gone on. I have taken all this time to realise that this may be the only important point of politics - and then question that thought and believe I need to expand around it.

I'm not declaring this as a fact; just my thinking. Any facts, reading or added insight welcome.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 06-May-22 09:01:41

That’s a marathon shopping trip Daisy!

foxie48 Fri 06-May-22 09:18:32

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/27/rich-poor-deserving-undeserving
I came across this from 10 years ago which I thought was interesting.

M0nica Fri 06-May-22 16:45:49

The "Right" see poverty and wealth as marks of "character" ;, the "Left" see them as marks of circumstance.

I really do not think that statement is true, that or you are using a definition of character that is unknown to me.

Someone's character is a combination of both genes and upbringing, but all of us know of people with strong characters, both rich and poor. We see people poor from family circumstances, sickness and disability in themselves or their family who manage to cope with life, fighting authority, seeking help, which we know would break us and other people. You can see the same characteristics in better off people, but they need not be using them to make money, they may channel them into working for good causes, or campaigning for a particular social change - or they may become billionnaires

I quite agree that some people are born with more push and determination than others, but it doesn't mean that they can use it to make money. Many an able and determined child has left school early without qualifications because the home needed the money and never achieved what they could achieve if they had stayed at school and become a doctor or gone into business on their own.

Some people, at all levels will make the most of any opportunity offered but opportunities are fewer and more restricted the more deprived you beginnings, and you need to remember that because the exceptional people at the beginning and end of any distribution will have an exceptional lack of a quality or a super abundance of it, the fact is most people will fall in the middle area with neither lack or super abundane - and we are the majority.

But, I have never seen or read anywhere that conservatives see wealth or poverty as signs of 'character'. the Conservatives certainly measure success in monetary terms, but character?

DaisyAnne Sun 08-May-22 22:50:47

Germanshepherdsmum

That’s a marathon shopping trip Daisy!

I can't answer posts that aren't there GSM. There were no new ones when I got home and I thought the thread had dwindled out.

I completely missed the posts on the following day. I imagine the thread dropped down my "I'm on" list. I will read them tomorrow and reply if they require a reply and enjoy what people have to say in either case.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 09-May-22 08:32:58

Oh don’t worry, I was only kidding!?