Doctors want a 30% pay rise!

Urmstongran

Ever since Labour gave them these ridiculous contracts it’s been a free for all.

The BMA is a trade union full stop, controlled by a vociferous left wing group.

Junior doctors contracts have been drastically changed under the Tory Government.
www.gov.uk/government/news/doctors-contracts-fit-for-the-21st-century
The claim for 30% is legitimate, it merely recognises the year on year NHS salary deficits under the Tory government. The rest of the NHS is in the same position. The rest of the public sector is in a similar position.

I’ve not said the doctors are lazy.
I just think 30% is a bit steep, no?

Urmstongran

I’ve not said the doctors are lazy.
I just think 30% is a bit steep, no?

No.

No.

I'm only guessing but perhaps the merchant bankers donate more to the Conservative party than the doctors so obviously they're never going to get as good a deal.

We need many more doctors, in part because of Brexit.
We must pay them enough that they want to stay in the NHS.
No, 30% is not too steep.
The excuse used for CEO s etc, is that we would not get the quality without the high salary. Let's us apply the same logic to doctors.

If they get 30% who is next in line? Teachers, firefighters, police, paramedics, bin men? All do a sterling job. Would paying huge rises add to inflation? It just seems such a huge rise to ask for. Almost a third of their wages in one great leap. I just don’t think it’s possible.

‘No’?
Okay, let’s have a free for-all then. Let everyone in Team.UK have huge rises. Pensions of 20% more anyone?

Urmstongran

If they get 30% who is next in line? Teachers, firefighters, police, paramedics, bin men? All do a sterling job. Would paying huge rises add to inflation? It just seems such a huge rise to ask for. Almost a third of their wages in one great leap. I just don’t think it’s possible.

Using Sunak's logic, how would increasing public service workers' pay increase the price of anything and thus add to inflation?

How very dare they, these highly qualified, dedicated doctors reduce their hours to 4 days a week for lifestyle issues? !

My GP was working 12 hour days pre-pandemic. It’s worse now.

What is it with some elements of the culture in this country, that means paying public servants the kind of wages they’d get in the private sector gives some a head ache. Don’t dare mention the possibility that doctors, teachers, police officers etc may be happier and more productive if not working 12 hour days 5 or more days a week

Urmstongran

‘No’?
Okay, let’s have a free for-all then. Let everyone in Team.UK have huge rises. Pensions of 20% more anyone?

Pensioners have already been given 10% (probably) and an extra £300 WFA.

But they're not asking for 30%, are they? Much as the Daily Mail would like you to think that they are.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61957154

From the BMA site, pay scales for Foundation doctors.

Foundation doctors
ScaleFoundation doctor year 1Foundation doctor year 2
Min 25,494 31,621
1 27,085 33,689
2 28,676 35,757

Foundation doctors are the ones who have qualified and are at the beginning of their careers. They are the ones who run around the wards in hospitals 12+ hours at a time making decisions that affect lives day after day.
The demands made of them are outrageous.

30% is not 'a bit steep'.

Iam64

How very dare they, these highly qualified, dedicated doctors reduce their hours to 4 days a week for lifestyle issues? !

My GP was working 12 hour days pre-pandemic. It’s worse now.

What is it with some elements of the culture in this country, that means paying public servants the kind of wages they’d get in the private sector gives some a head ache. Don’t dare mention the possibility that doctors, teachers, police officers etc may be happier and more productive if not working 12 hour days 5 or more days a week

I think it's the Prosecco which gives them the headache.

Urmstongran

‘No’?
Okay, let’s have a free for-all then. Let everyone in Team.UK have huge rises. Pensions of 20% more anyone?

You’ve missed the point. 30% is what they have lost in comparison to the private sector since 2010. They are asking for parity, not more than they are worth.

I also think doctors are the latest target of the right wing press.
Most people who comment about doctors pay know absolutely nothing about doctors work patterns and pay.

Sorry. I had jiggled the table to make it clearer but it didn't post as anticipated.

I can't make it post as copied, so hope it's not too muddled.
I was trying to make clear that doctors don't earn mega-bucks, starting on £25,494 after five years of study, and then with another couple of years after the hospital Foundation years to specialize.

Just for comparison, a teacher earns £25,714 in their first year of teaching.

Urmstongran

If they get 30% who is next in line? Teachers, firefighters, police, paramedics, bin men? All do a sterling job. Would paying huge rises add to inflation? It just seems such a huge rise to ask for. Almost a third of their wages in one great leap. I just don’t think it’s possible.

‘Bin men’!!!

SueDonim

Oh good! My dd might be able to afford to buy a house if she gets a 30% pay rise!

Many doctors work a four day week but with long hours. I think by the time my dd had done 4 x 12.5hr shifts in a row, she’s earned a day off.

No idea what you're moaning about! It would only take six years to save up for a tree house, if she didn't pay tax, NICs, student loan repayments and could live on fresh air!

Maddyone, my view is people who make critical comments about the pay public sector workers, or barristers working in criminal law, earn,- know nothing about the training, dedication, stress, responsibility and long hours these people work

Iam64

How very dare they, these highly qualified, dedicated doctors reduce their hours to 4 days a week for lifestyle issues? !

My GP was working 12 hour days pre-pandemic. It’s worse now.

What is it with some elements of the culture in this country, that means paying public servants the kind of wages they’d get in the private sector gives some a head ache. Don’t dare mention the possibility that doctors, teachers, police officers etc may be happier and more productive if not working 12 hour days 5 or more days a week

These Junior doctors are obviously all millennial snowflakes who just need to get on with it like the rest of us did.

Spoilt brats.

*sarcasm, I hope was obvious

Brexit was supposed to bring us a high wage economy. Why doesn’t this government put its money where it’s mouth is.

At least a pay rise might stop young doctors emigrating to Australia, where I gather that the pay is considerably better.

IMO we’ve relied for far too long on importing doctors from countries where pay is lower - often considerably so.

It’s time we trained more doctors here, too.

Witzend, yes !

I think emigration to Australia would lessen if newly qualified doctors had to sign up to practicing here in the UK NHS for a set number of years instead of taking their expensive training away from these shores.