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AIBU to totally disagree with 'the right to buy'?

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Smileless2012 Sun 25-Sep-16 14:49:06

I never have been in agreement, with a severe lack of social housing it makes no sense to allow tenants to buy theirs at below the market value simply because they've lived there for a certain length of time.

I couldn't believe it when I read an article yesterday in the DM, sorry can't do links as I'm a technophobe, that Arthur Scargill is buying a London Flat worth 2 million for the reduced sum of 1 millionangryshock.

It seems that the rules are a tenant is eligible to buy a council home only if it is their 'only or main home'; only!!! how many homes do some people need???

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 21:15:13

answer sounds so contrived it would take me at least 2 months to do that smile

JessM Sun 25-Sep-16 21:23:00

Isn't the present government extending right to buy to housing association tenants? Or was that a nasty dream?
Right to buy has been a huge exercise in transferring wealth from the public sector to individuals.
This country has suffered decades of privatising and market-ising everything under the sun. Latest silly suggestion, last week, was to introduce competition into the water industry. And we would not be in the mess we are with Hinkley point if electricity industry had not been privatised by Thatcher. Back in the day the country built its own power stations. Now everything has to be built by private companies. Liverpool Bay is full of wine turbines, all owned by private companies. And at a much more trivial level, local private bus company went bust recently, leaving some workers stranded and unable to get to work.

Deedaa Sun 25-Sep-16 21:27:07

It's a bit hypocritical of me as I am living in a very nice ex Council House but I think Right To Buy is disastrous. It seemed a good idea when it was introduced, but when I realised that the houses sold were not being replaced it just seemed stupid. To make things worse the houses are now being bought and then rented out privately for astronomical sums. The sort of house we are living in was original sold for £16,000, DS and his family rent a flat on the same estate which would have sold for rather less. He is now paying £900 a month rent for it!

Elegran Sun 25-Sep-16 21:27:11

I like the sound of the wine turbines, JessM Perhaps they could be linked up with the water companies and put into reverse - that would ginger up competition no end.

M0nica Sun 25-Sep-16 21:28:15

Usually official published statistics. the figures for household size come from 'Social Trends' 39 published by the Office for National Statistics.

Numbers of houses on two specified council estates, personal experience, like counting houses with externally insulated walls.

Immigrants in high status jobs, well, go into any hospital, and I have been in many over the last 15 years as far afield as Hull and Southampton and it is impossible not to notice how many of the medical staff are from European countries, I have the same experience with GPs. I live near Oxford and within the Science Vale centred on Harwell and I know, again from personal experience how many of the scientists come from EU and other countries.

There have been many government reports and Select Committee reports (like that on Sports Direct) which are well reported across a range of media giving the information on the use of agency workers. Other reports from a a range of authoritative sources, including trades union and think tanks have reported on the problems of zero hours contracts..

durhamjen Sun 25-Sep-16 21:29:40

Wine turbines, eh? We only have wind turbines around here. I wonder which would be the most useful after Brexit.

durhamjen Sun 25-Sep-16 21:30:30

You type faster than me, Elegran.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 21:32:47

Why can't people just speak in a normal manner on here without spouting contrived up their arses paragraphs. Very strange.

M0nica Sun 25-Sep-16 21:33:19

Assuming your last email was directed at me stillaliveandkicking, I have an unfair advantage. I am an economist and spent most of my working life dealing with statistics like these and I also specialised in the housing market for some years. Sorry.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 21:34:26

Yawn yawn Monica. You still don't live in the real world.

Elegran Sun 25-Sep-16 21:36:59

grin DJ I did think there might be a place for them in the EU wine lake, but that would need to be wave power surely, not turbines?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 21:40:26

Dont start me off on the stupid turbines wink wasn't there some sort old boy network that started them off?

DaphneBroon Sun 25-Sep-16 21:47:43

Are you just gratuitously rude stillaliveandkicking?? Or do you actually know anything about this subject?
Your comments about "blowing smoke up people's arses" seems extraordinarily technical and erudite. Do sentences containing words of more than one syllable constitute "up their arses paragraphs"?
Perhaps it is past your bedtime (^yawn, yawn^) but M0nica does seem to have the benefit of knowing what she is talking about - presumably gleaned from "the real world" but perhaps that is not "your" world?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 21:54:03

No not rude just real. Do I know anything about this subject.... I live it.

M0nica Sun 25-Sep-16 21:54:48

SAAK and your credentials are?

M0nica Sun 25-Sep-16 21:57:50

Our 2 responses were posted in seconds. I accept that you have made up your mind, I will not confuse you with facts.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 22:01:20

Who's facts? Stats? fudging figures? Ok then. Im going to my grave knowing that we are finally getting out of the European government. That to me is priceless.

durhamjen Sun 25-Sep-16 22:15:08

Must be a man.

Apologies to all those kind and thoughtful, caring men on here.

durhamjen Sun 25-Sep-16 22:19:30

These look big enough to hold quite a lot of wine.

www.ecotricity.co.uk/our-green-energy/our-green-electricity/and-the-sea/seamills

Unfortunately if they were full of wine, they would sink, so not do the job properly.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 22:26:53

grin

Smileless2012 Sun 25-Sep-16 22:32:22

Well, if the article I've read is accurate stillaliveandkicking and Arthur Scargill can buy a London flat for 1 million, when the going rate is 2 million that to me is well below the market rate.

Of course, if the money raised from the sale of these properties had been used to build more that would have been something, but as it is there's a severe shortage of social housing and yet the right to buy continues.

I don't agree that the price of council houses should be discounted at all. In the private rental market, if a landlord decided to sell a rental property and a long time tenant wanted to purchase it, they wouldn't expect to receive a discount and in all probability wouldn't receive one.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 25-Sep-16 22:41:23

ok then you read an "article" what about all the genuine workers that want to buy? why aren't the government putting money into building more properties? Oh I think that might be changing.

mcem Sun 25-Sep-16 22:47:40

In the midst of all this vitriol perhaps you'd explain why you find it necessary to criticize a poster for writing in paragraphs.
How does a lack of punctuation enhance the discussion?

Smileless2012 Sun 25-Sep-16 22:48:48

But that's my point stillaliveandkicking, money isn't being put into building more properties and I don't agree that those wishing to buy their council houses should do so at below the market value.

durhamjen Sun 25-Sep-16 22:49:31

This could be interesting for London housing.

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/24/footballers-400m-social-housing-dream-unveiled