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Another Conservative defecting to UKIP

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POGS Sat 27-Sep-14 15:12:24

So Mark Reckless MP for Rochester and Stroke has defected to UKIP at the UKIP Conference.

How many more, from which party??

I bet the Westminster bubble has a squeaky bum, left and right of politics.

Morgeo Fri 07-Nov-14 03:46:54

I personally think that Mark Reckless had no option because he campaigns for local issues and if he then has to abide by government policy against his constituents then he is failing them. if you have fol;lowed some of the local issues perhaps you might take a different view should you feel he was wrong to jump ship. I would advocate getting rid of the whip in parliament because it is undemocratic. I think that the local people know he is for them.

HollyDaze Thu 02-Oct-14 19:39:34

Ah, that is interesting durhamjen - just goes to prove what I've always said: you can't trust a word that comes out of their mouths.

durhamjen Wed 01-Oct-14 23:59:11

Just checked up on theyworkforyou, and he rebelled on 8.5% of the votes. Not quite what Cameron said.

HollyDaze Wed 01-Oct-14 12:31:13

According to David Cameron, the chap never supported any of the Governments proposals which makes me wonder why he stayed so long if he disagreed with them so much.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 01-Oct-14 09:21:38

Agree with nigglynellie there. It was the timing. Calculated to cause the most upset to the party he had been a member of.

nigglynellie Wed 01-Oct-14 09:19:56

Sorry about the repetition! Was posted from my Kindle which tends to have a mind of it's own!

nigglynellie Wed 01-Oct-14 09:19:55

Sorry about the repetition! Was posted from my Kindle which tends to have a mind of it's own!

nigglynellie Wed 01-Oct-14 09:17:21

Anyone is entitled to change political party's if they wish, but the manner and timing of this defection was nothing short of disgraceful. Any vague flirtation with Ukip in this house has now been consigned to the bin! Let's hope this man sinks without trace. Snakes in the grass are not for us.

nigglynellie Wed 01-Oct-14 09:17:20

Anyone is entitled to change political party's if they wish, but the manner and timing of this defection was nothing short of disgraceful. Any vague flirtation with Ukip in this house has now been consigned to the bin! Let's hope this man sinks without trace. Snakes in the grass are not for us.

durhamjen Tue 30-Sep-14 23:43:58

Good list, Soutra. We just need another five. Tegan, there are to be by elections in the constituencies of those who have defected. I have a feeling they will only defect if they are sure of getting back in.

Soutra Tue 30-Sep-14 23:34:48

Just say maybe they were sorry - but you weren't!!
Mind you there is quite a tradition of "crossing the floor of the house" and switching to another party - Churchill, Mosley among them. But somehow you get a feeling that perhaps principles were involved other than an eye for the main chance!
If there are to be more defectors they could be like the 7 Dwarfs - Reckless, Brainless, Feckless, Clueless, Hopeless, Witless and Useless !! grin

Tegan Tue 30-Sep-14 23:00:23

I know we've had a debate about this before at one time but I feel that people vote for a party as much as the person who stands for that party and if you're unhappy with what that party is doing [eg Robin Cook] you should just resign not just switch to another party [or at least let the dust settle a bit and then switch parties]. Seems insulting to the electorate imo. I had a leaflet pushed through my door when I was away saying UKIP had been round and were sorry to have mised me. I'm going to email them and state that I do not want them knocking on my door at any time ever again.

POGS Mon 29-Sep-14 11:15:01

Does anybody share my view this is possibly a bigger problem for the Conservatives BUT Labour should perhaps be a little more, how can I put it, less cocky as time might show they are finding UKIP are gaining ground in their heartlands too.?

It has to be said UKIP have a mixed bag of ideas but I don't think their focus appeals to just left/right voters and after all they are already taking votes from both parties aren't they.

As for Mark Reckless, or indeed any other politician of any colour, I understand they have a right to their decision but I feel that they have had so much backing and groundwork done by their constituents it is a form of betrayal and whether it was Reckless, Balls or Miliband I would still feel that way.

I think it's the timing which has shown more about the character of the man. To defect is the name of the game but to maximimise self advertisement and harm the people you have 'so called' respected at the very start of the conference tells me all I want to know.

He was being interviewed on Daily Politics and Andrew Neil played a phone message he had left 'the day before' he defected telling the party he was going to Birmingham to help the candidate with her canvassing, all sweetness and light confirming his attendence, cowardly I call it whether he was a Tory, Lib Dem or Labour.

I know the reply will be he had to do what he thought best, I agree. It was the way he did it and the timing that shows more about the man than the defection itself IMHO.

HollyDaze Mon 29-Sep-14 09:31:32

Is the manifesto that important? Not like any of them stick to their promises is it! The manifesto tells you what you wouldn't want to vote for - the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

whenim64 Mon 29-Sep-14 09:30:33

Found one! It was produced for the European elections in May.

d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/5308a93901925b5b09000002/attachments/original/1398869254/EuroManifestoLaunch.pdf?1398869254

whenim64 Mon 29-Sep-14 09:26:21

I think the rats have started to realise they need to desert the sinking ship before they go down with it. grin Has UKIP published a manifesto yet? Their 'policies' seem to change with the tide.

HollyDaze Mon 29-Sep-14 09:11:36

Like a sort of creepy pervert that offers people whatever he thinks they might want in an attempt to whisk them away.

Isn't that what they all do hmm

durhamjen Mon 29-Sep-14 00:23:31

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/28/tory-whips-threat-possible-defectors-ukip-conference

You'll have to think up some more names , Soutra, for the others who will follow after this. Or do you think there are lots of Tory MPs quaking at the thought of Grant Shapps?

durhamjen Mon 29-Sep-14 00:09:45

https://fullfact.org/news/7_key_factchecks_nigel_farages_ukip_conference_speech-35493

Soutra Sun 28-Sep-14 22:11:27

They could be a double act - the one who defected to UKIP and the one who texted explicitit photos of himself without his jimjams

Reckless and Brainless grin

Tegan Sun 28-Sep-14 21:39:56

I personally find Farage terrifying. Like a sort of creepy pervert that offers people whatever he thinks they might want in an attempt to whisk them away. [I'm not joking, by the way, but deadly serious sad].

Ana Sun 28-Sep-14 21:30:00

Goodness! Another one ordering us about...hmm

Mogette1 Sun 28-Sep-14 21:27:48

What planet are we on?

Nigel Farage, a commodity broker, financial trader, dealer in commodities and derivatives, the very things which broke the banks so that we taxpayers had to bail them out to save people's savings.

Read Flashboys by Michael Lewis, Farage is one of them.

Iam64 Sun 28-Sep-14 18:54:17

What a bunch indeed. I came across a quote from Mark Twain recently "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it"

grin

goldengirl Sun 28-Sep-14 18:39:33

And he's got the Cameron and Milliband brigade pledging this, that and the other! What a bunch!