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McCann troll commits suicide

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Grannyknot Tue 07-Oct-14 09:00:58

What a sad story this is all round. I happened to catch the Sky News broadcast where Brenda Leyland or "sweepyface" (her Twitter name) was "doorstepped" and asked about her 4000-odd vicious tweets implicating the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter. She was clearly shocked at having been caught out. Intriguingly, she sounded "normal" and "posh", lived in a nice house in a village. Days later she committed suicide, and I was pretty shocked when I heard that.

This is a good article about people who live in a "fresh air lacking, web-dependent, screen-chained world". It's warped world for many, for sure.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-case-of-brenda-leyland-and-the-mccanns-is-a-thoroughly-modern-tale-of-internet-lawlessness-9778262.html

The other thing about that Sky news insert that made me flinch on behalf of strangers, is that they had screenshots of a facebook page discussing the McCann's and "ordinary" people who had posted on there had their photographs displayed on the screen and their names and comments read out. Ouch!

WandaDoff Fri 10-Oct-14 22:12:47

Log of the tweets from her account

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 10-Oct-14 19:41:15

I wonder how many people she had really close to her.

thatbags Fri 10-Oct-14 19:37:40

I agree, iam, about the horror of finding someone close to you has committed suicide.

I'm wondering now whether whoever found her, or any close family members, had any inkling of her trolling activities before what she had done became public. Or, to put it another way, I wonder if anyone close to her was totally surprised when her trolling became public knowledge or wherher they were aghast.

Iam64 Fri 10-Oct-14 19:16:13

I wonder what research is going on into the individuals who hide behind the internet to express such dreadful threats and abuse to others.

I feel for BL's loved ones, to find your mother/sister/friend has behaved like this, and then taken their life is beyond words.

janeainsworth Fri 10-Oct-14 15:10:02

No, I wouldn't say she asked for it Nightowl. sad
Two wrongs don't make a right, and the internet has given free rein to the sort of people who support vigilantism in real life.
The due processes of law haven't kept pace with the speed at which cyber-technology has developed.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 10-Oct-14 14:17:34

O M G! shock

Bloody technology. Is it worth it?

nightowl Fri 10-Oct-14 14:13:50

I am truly not obsessed with Brenda Leyland, but someone I know who is far more interested in this than I am has just told me about the level of abuse Brenda Leyland received on the Internet from supporters of the McCanns. You may say she asked for it by posting in the first place, but the level of abuse directed at her was shocking. She was threatened in the most graphic terms with rape, torture, and murder, all within the last few weeks. I believe the post mortem did not come up with a cause of death, so I really hope these people who called themselves 'the kind, caring supporters of the McCanns' are being sought by the police and ruled out of inquiries.

sunseeker Thu 09-Oct-14 15:35:37

I agree with Rowantree that we all have done things which we wouldn't want others to find out about - but how many of us kept doing those things for several years? As I said before I regret the death of this woman and feel utmost sympathy for her family but she was obviously an educated intelligent woman who chose to join in a campaign of hate towards a couple she had never met who were suffering the loss of a child.

Rowantree Thu 09-Oct-14 15:04:44

I'm with jingl and others on this one. I'd hazard a guess that some of us have in the past done things they now feel deeply ashamed about. Whilst it's not excusable as such, I'd err on the side of compassion. For whatever reason, she made wrong choices and got carried away, without thinking through the consequences - or maybe she was unable to do so. As jingl rightly says, it's not easy to distinguish whether someone has a mental health problem or an unfortunate character trait. It's a continuum, and even psychiatrists often find it difficult to tell. I speak from experience: my mental health diagnosis has been debated and discussed at nauseum, whilst I continue to wonder whether I am simply an unpleasant and subhuman individual for having the thoughts and feelings I have, who is finding that knowledge painful to accept.
As to the alleged killer of Alice Gross, we might never know the truth, but in this country people are presumed innocent till proven guilty. Try telling that to the lynch-mob media!

FlicketyB Thu 09-Oct-14 15:01:18

Were I to do something as nasty as this and be found out, I would move house. But even if I was tempted to do something like this the thought of the reactions of close family members and friends if it came out would keep me on the straight and narrow.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 09-Oct-14 14:32:51

Apologies for mixing the two deaths up. The hanging was the murderer of the young girl. This lady died in an hotel room.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 09-Oct-14 14:26:45

Suit yer flippin' self. hmm

janeainsworth Thu 09-Oct-14 14:24:24

So 'mentally unbalanced' is nothing like 'mentally unwell'??
So sorry jingl.
I'll really try to interpret your posts more carefully in future <goes off grovelling>

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 09-Oct-14 14:23:49

That post wasn't only addressed to janea btw.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 09-Oct-14 14:09:39

Just out of interest, if you had fallen into this trap - and no, I know Gransnetters wouldn't, but just imagine - and the Sky reporter had door stepped you, what would have been your reaction? Would you have found a tree and hanged yourself, or just carried on and lived it down? Or even found another way, such as moving to another district?

Maybe it would depend upon how strong you were mentally and emotionally.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 09-Oct-14 14:04:55

ja That is nothing like stating categorically that this person was categorically mentally unwell. I sometimes wonder why I bother to post anything on here. hmm

And I also said somewhere that even psychologists have difficulty in distinguishing between a mental disorder and a personality one. I certainly wouldn't presume to diagnose that!

Gracesgran Thu 09-Oct-14 13:12:18

The growth of this sort of thing on the internet should not be a surprise. There has always been a fine line between gossip, malicious gossip, bullying and libel.

I have always found gossip hard to understand. Why do people need to discuss those they don't know? This women said she had a right to an opinion but the right to free speech also carries duties and responsibilities.

I agree that anonymity is a problem. When Mary Beard was being abused it only took one person to say they knew the mother of the young man making some really vile (and possibly illegal) comments and could give MB the information when he suddenly became very apologetic. I think unmasking some of the worst of these "commentators" is a service to us all.

janeainsworth Thu 09-Oct-14 12:57:01

I guess there has always been mentally unbalanced people in society and these days the technology is just there literally at their fingertips.

That was you on Tuesday jingl. Ok it wasn't a statement that she had a mental illness, but the implication was clear.

Grannyknot Thu 09-Oct-14 12:19:37

I think since we no longer use euphemistic phrases like "they're a bit nuts" "got a screw loose" - and I understand why we don't - it's difficult to describe people that behave strangely or do odd things, other than by using the phrase "mental health problems" in a general sense. I suppose a better phrase would be "psychological problems"...

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 09-Oct-14 09:37:41

confused Have I missed something on here? Has someone stated categorically that this lady did have a mental illness?

Still, I'm very glad to see people feeling the need to defend the thousands daily swallowing the Prozac (like me). smile Very kind.

Iam64 Thu 09-Oct-14 09:24:43

It's good to see posters pointing out that people don't have to have mental health problems to behave badly.

To attribute cruelty to mental health does a real disservice to folks who do have mental health problems, yet do their best not to allow this to ruin the lives of those around them.

Suicide is a desperate act, leaving such pain in its wake. As others have said, there have always been nasty people, who hid behind the anonymity of poison pen letters. The internet is largely a very positive thing, but it has given free reign to some very nasty individuals.

nightowl Wed 08-Oct-14 19:19:00

The tweets can all be read on the Internet. I haven't read all of them because there are too many, but I have got a sense of them. Form your own judgements.

I am neither anti-McCann nor sympathetic to Brenda Leyland. I just like to think I am fair, and try to judge on the basis of evidence. That would be the case if the so called 'troll' was a woman of my age or a 23 year old man.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 08-Oct-14 18:53:48

Well, I can assure you there is nothing anti-McCanns in my thinking on this! hmm

GrannyTwice Wed 08-Oct-14 18:34:38

Nightowl - some of her tweets that I've seen reported are pretty vile. And the sheer number of them. It doesn't matter in one way whether the McCanns saw them or not - I wonder how we'd feel if vicious vile comments were bring made about us even if we didn't actually read them. I really can't understand the sympathy for her - is it because she was about our sort of age? I also feel that there is a string anti- McCann undercurrent in British society and I think that explains maybe some of the support she's getting.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 08-Oct-14 18:23:15

And what harm did she actually do? Do you really think the McCanns bother to read stuff like that? I seriously doubt it.

That's not to say I condone it, but neither do I think she deserved to be outed to the world' media.