Green Party Manifesto and the Citizen's Pension

I have often said that the National Insurance upper threshold should be abolished. It has never made sense to me that those who earn most should pay less NI on their top rate of pay.

If I read this correctly, it means that there should be no need to claim pension credit, which again I think is right. Many pensioners do not claim because of the amount of intrusive information needed on the forms.

Pie in the Sky! You can say anything when you've no chance of actually having to deliver.

That's how I read it Jen. Do read the other bits; I couldn't manage to type more. Yesterday I realise that although there were two parties I would not vote for I was still undecided between three others. I am reading the rest of the manifesto - well scanning really but so far I like what I see.

You are entitled to your view magpie123 but mine is that the two party system is falling apart and I am not averse to encouraging the process

It seems to me, magpie, that the Tories are offering pie in the sky. They have not funded their promises, have they? They are just saying trust me, like they did on the NHS the last time.

https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/manifesto/Green_Party_2015_General_Election_Manifesto.pdf#page=8&zoom=auto,-107,715

This is a good page, Gracesgran.
However, you need imagination, which I have in abundance. I think you do too.

You'd need a good imagination to believe the things the Greens promise could ever be implemented. And yes, I have read their manifesto.

All of it? And not skimming like Gracesgran and me?
What do you think of page 8?

"The Green Party believes that equality is more important than growth."

That sums it up for me. That'll do.

I agree jen but know we will be in the minority. The problem is that everyone has been brainwashed about what "economy" means. I have just seen Natalie Bennett being interviewed. She quoted the Spirit Level saying that more equality benefits the rich too.

You'd need a good imagination to believe the things the Greens promise could ever be implemented. You used to need a good imagination to believe the things the Lib Dems aimed for could ever be implemented Ana but much of what the Conservatives are lauding in the "what a clever party we are" vein came from the Lib Dem manifesto and was originally rubbished by the Torys.

Three parties led by women could get together and have a sizeable influence on government policies, even the Green Party.
Those who rubbish the Green Party have not looked at how much Caroline Lucas has done in Parliament.

It seems to me, magpie, that the Tories are offering pie in the sky. They have not funded their promises, have they? They are just saying trust me, like they did on the NHS the last time

Substitute Labour for Tory and it is equally true

This is hilarious, so many people on here saying that their own party promises are wonderful but all the others are pie in the sky.

Only two of us have used that phrase, roses. And only six have commented, including you. I think you need to check your arithmetical ability.

Do you actually have a sense of humour DJen?

I'm guessing you may have, if you are really a Green voter.

I don't have a party that is my "own." I think that all the manifestos are flawed. And all parties, when they get power, find that many of their "promises" cannot be honoured.

I hope to vote for the party that demonstrates that they have vision, a global outlook and a care for the poor. I do not expect any of the parties to be able to honour all their promises, and I wish they would be honest and just say that these are their aims; and stop pretending that they can definitely deliver.

I agree with you all the way Mishap and am glad that somebody has said this at last.

But they have to say how they intend to fund their views of Utopia though, surely?

It's all very well the Greens saying they'll spend £177 bn on health, give everyone a guaranteed income of £70+ a week and single pensioners £180 a week and life will be wonderful for all, but it's just fantasy.

The Green Party pension promise extends to expats. I wonder how many of them have realised and have a vote?

I wonder how many have read about it and realised it was pie in the sky...

Afraid I can't help you there Ana, as obviously my maths isn't up to it.Somebody else will be along very soon to tell you!

What is your definition of "pie in the sky" Ana. Politics is many layered, as is the influence of parties and their ideas. We only have to look at how far the Conservatives have moved and would move us to the right to see that. I - and this is just my opinion - feel many who applaud them may live to regret it when control is pulled back to Whitehall and the NHS is a poor relation to what we have known and expected.

Of course, the super rich will not have to flee the country if they are allowed to carry on in their current direct of travel so that's OK then.

thankfully just your opinion then - Gracesgran.
do tell how only the Conservatives have moved to the right but Labour has not done just the same thing.