Need help re neighbours, who are causing me problems....it's not me!

london you are lucky it isn't in your roof....don't let it get anywhere it can get on the house.
(shh) if you can reach the stems lower down then cut them.....
Still considering this and have retrieved my little ladder from Oxford!

Went and had another chat with the people the other side, who are annoyed about the whole thing and cannot consider doing what they had thought of which is to build an extension on the side where that water is dripping, it would affect the foundations!
I learned that it was the council that cut back the overgrown front garden about 4 years ago, I thought it was them.

I still don't know how much the SODC can do under this other Act. Are they the right people, as I notice that it was Planning that got the garden in Gloucester cleared?

That's awful for youallie

alie oxon i have the same problem with next doors ivy only its not on any walls .its up my tree and spreading along my garden and the fences is covered .all knock but dont want to upset them .you would think people would no it gets out of hand xx

The situation now is that the SODC have sent a letter to my neighbours and are waiting (last I heard) for a response. I don't know how long they give them.

I got an estate agent to my house today and he told me it is worth a bit more than I thought....but it would be very difficult to sell. That value is NOT taking next door into account.
Personally I think it would be unsaleable! If I had come to view and seen this, I would promptly have ruled it out.

Can't afford it unless I can get any help - anyone know?

Another query: It has turned out not to be Section 215 now, it's
Environmental Protection Act 1990, Sections 79 – 82 in the SODC letter.

Which doesn't seem to say so much and I haven't yet made out what they can do under this....

Alie, If you can afford it, see a solicitor who specialises in such problems. Your neighbours are legally required to pay for any repairs to your house that are caused by their negligence. From everything you say, you have an uncotestable (by them ) case

I was awake in the night and realising what has happened as regards my gutters. - which made me cross and stopped me going back to sleep.

The setup is that there is a circular ring of guttering round both semis, with two downpipes near the back on each side, one for each house. On their side the gutter has been blocked on each side of their downpipe with the ivy - sending all their roof water to overload my guttering which is now in a bad state.

About a year ago, both gutters on their house have been pulled down by the ivy and broken, front and back. But my gutter is damaged and still leaking. I needed to get it fixed, which has pushed me to do something!

Wish I could bill them for this!

Alie

I am pleased for you, thus far. Good luck for a happy ending.

Great to know SODC Health & Housing are so efficient. I live in the Vale and the two councils are merging all their services. My only experience is of Planning and that was not good.

That sounds like a result - or at least the beginnings of one. Good luck!

(Back from having my flu jab)

Flickety - I am doing and have done all of that! I do not intend to put myself in the wrong in any way. I had discovered Section 215, looking online. Your link is more info than I found though, thanks.
About your first comment, I have not picked up from him anything like that. I wouldn't know about her.

However the next bit of the story is that I came back to find a letter from the SODC Health and Housing who had been round when I was out, probably in Oxford yesterday.
I phoned them right away and got a very sympathetic woman who had seen their house and seems to think something can and should be done. I told her most of what I know and she is sending them a letter.....good luck to her on getting an answer! I did say that I am worried about their situation, too.

It seems that if the Council have to do the work, the bill can be attached to the house, to be paid when it is sold.

Alie/Flickety

Brilliant advice.

Alie, Do they consider your approaches could be defined as 'harrassment' and have they been seeking advice about how to deal with such 'harrassment'.

You are yet another reasonable person faced with a genuine problem and having to deal with unreasonable neighbours. I think the first thing you need to do is start a diary of all your dealings with your neighbours. Start with a history of your dealings until now and then record every contact with them from now on and what was done and said. Keep photographs of the problem, ivy ingress into your house, the state of their garden, back and front and how it is encroaching on your property, also a record of all the work you have to do to deal with the problem including invoices for any work and above all, no matter what the aggravation, never ever loose your temper or even sound irritated. It requires super-human self control, but it is essential, the moment your neighbours can even suggest that you have lost control of yourself, you are sunk.

If you go back to the link in my earlier posting you will see a link to a court case in Gloucester. The local authority used a Section 215 notice to get action taken.

Here is another link www.oadby-wigston.gov.uk/pages/untidy_land_notices_section_215_of_the_town_and_country_planning_act . This shows how a local authority applies the act. It may be worth you seeking some legal advice on a Section 215 orders even if you do not go down that route.

That was supposed to say " in their dark"!

They sound a bit unstable Alie, I would have the name of a solicitor just in case, and don't open that door at night,just because one feels a bit more uncomfortable with those types of conversations on the doorstep in track, they are less threatening in daylight. Good luck, they sound a bit of a nightmare.

Sorry I haven't been around, things happening.....
relichunter You have some ideas here - they are not squatters, have been here 22 years, and are owners, which is one of the sticking points. If council, or bought from the council, it would be far simpler.
Not dead unfortunately no excuse here.
Not sure about alerting my insurance at the moment, will keep that.

CAB were not very helpful, directed me to a mediators site which seems to be defunct. commumication problem still there anyway!

I put in a formal letter to the neighbours, and not expecting any answer, also phoned the council, who said 'solicitor?' and then 'send some pictures'
(think I put this on the other thread) - so I did. No response yet.

BUT - He from no 16 arrived on my doorstep at 7pm two days ago (dark of course and I don't like that, will not answer another time).
He said he was going to do things to the gutter, and has tied it up with a yellow strap....also says he will remove the relevant ivy.
That's something.

But I said there are other issues here too, and tried to say things about the water dripping on the other side (man at No. 18 is very annoyed about this as it has been going on for two years and of course is why the ivy has grown so much!) and the general mess of the garden and that I am worried about the fire risk of so much dead wood and inflammable trees.....and met a complete brick wall.
He is far weirder than I thought. He simply would not admit that there is anything else wrong.........in the end I said I was leaving it for now and shut the door on him.

Next day (yesterday) I was in the front with my gardener and both the neighbours arrived back from somewhere (extremely unusual) with a business-like folder in his hand.
Now I am wondering if they went to get legal advice on their situation......

allie ivy can cause many problems to your property the roots can underline the brickwork
you c an ask your insurers to check out the property as it may invalidate yours if anything happens
are you sure they are not squatters living there
you could always ask the police to say you think there is someone dead in the property

See the anyone-up-yet thread!

Best wishes AlieOxon; hope they can help you.

Going to CAB this morning.

My neigbour is at the silly end of the organic green spectrum and does no gardening at all and will not make any attempt to stop the rampant nettles overtopping my fence. I just stick my sprayer over the fence and spray them. he never notices.

About five houses down from me there is a garden like this. Brambles were growing through the hedge and stick out onto the pavement at just about eye level to my grandchildren in their double buggy, so I have to go onto the road. I contacted the council and after a while they arranged to have the hedge cut back and the bill sent to the owner of the propery. This was only because it fronted onto a public highway though, but it might be worth a phone call anyway.

This is a pretty good idea of what the front part of their garden looks like, only it's all brambles. The back if anything is worse, with one tall tree overhanging my shed.
I notice this isn't a council house.

I know they may not notice but I have guilt about going on their property!
It may come to that.
I'll go the less intrusive way first!

This is a link to a court case this week when someone was prosecuted for letting their garden get overgrown www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-19892087

It has some helpful information about how and why this got there. However if you have elderly reclusive neighbours this may not be a helpful way forward. As well as speaking to the CAB speak to Age UK, who may well have experience of this type of problem.

Another way to stop the ivy attack is to spray it with round-up. This would enable you to kill off more of the ivy on their house as the spray if pumped up high will hit greenery 6 foot away. DD had a similar but much more minor problem so we waited until the neighbour was out (yes I know that is a problem for you as well) and then I wriggled through the hedge, cut all the stems close to ground level and poured high strength weedkiller along the edge. The garden was such a mess the occupant never noticed. The house is a council house and when the neighbour next door complained to the Council about the condition the garden was in, and DD supported them the Council told the occupant in no uncertain terms to deal with the garden or lose their tenancy, so they did (deal with the garden).

A couple of years ago we, and some of our neighbours, becoming increasingly concerned about our elderly, independent, widower neighbour, who was refusing every offer of help with his garden, shopping, trip to barber etc., decided to contact social work, on his behalf but without his permission. They just turned up saying they were surveying older people who live alone, to see if they would benefit from any of the available services. As a result he now has a squad who come to cut his grass and hedge, a reduction in his council tax, a home help and a MECS (mobile emergency care service) alarm - a whole package of help to enable him to stay 'at home' rather than 'in a home'. His hair is still snow white and growing longer by the week as he has refused the offered home visit from the barber! We neighbours no longer need to worry about him constantly and a bonus is that he no longer keeps visitors on the doorstep, (He was ashamed at the state of the house) - neighbours are invited in for a blether.