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To think that teachers should be able to punctuate

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Mishap Mon 23-Sep-13 22:24:33

A while ago I had sight of an application by a teacher for a responsible post of deputy head. His application consistently failed to distinguish where a comma or a full stop (followed by a capital) should be used. It was not just one occcasion - it happened about 10 times or more and clearly indicated his absence of knowledge of this rule. His CV demonstrated a history of highly responsible jobs in schools.

Am I being unreasonable (and very old-fashioned) to find this totally unacceptable?

glassortwo Mon 23-Sep-13 22:29:12

mishap we have a new head .. in his second year now at DGC school, a school news letter is produced by him every Friday and the spelling and grammar is atrocious shock totally unacceptable!!!!!

Ana Mon 23-Sep-13 22:34:44

No, Mishap - IMO you are certainly not being unreasonable! angry

gracesmum Mon 23-Sep-13 22:38:14

My heart says "No YANBU" but my cynical head says that the rest of the population clearly couldn't care less and dismiss those of who DO care as pedants, so what's new?"
However.........that won't stop me correcting people especially those in some sort of educational authority if and when I get the chance!grin

(You can take the girl out of the school.........)

Mishap Mon 23-Sep-13 22:39:48

It makes me despair.

I have conducted a number of job interviews in my time and for several of those roles (e.g. carer), it did not matter whether the candidate could punctuate - other things were important. But for a high level post in a school! This candidate had been in headships and mentoring roles previously - how can we let this happen?!!

glammanana Mon 23-Sep-13 22:57:00

Unacceptable in my view even if he has other strengths to bring to the school his application should be spot on,it's the interviewers first impression of him and that would count a lot in my book.
What does annoy me and it has happened already this term is youngest DGS 10yrs has completed homework and worked very hard in finding all the facts he was asked to find only for it to be returned to him unmarked and uncommented on at the next lesson,very disheartening for a young person I would say.

Aka Mon 23-Sep-13 22:58:54

I remember pointing out to our Deputy Head that she really ought to take down the 'days of the week' chart she had put up to impress the HMIs as they were on their way to her room.

It read


No joking!

Aka Mon 23-Sep-13 23:00:37

Glamma that is totally unacceptable and soul destroying for a young child angry

Ana Mon 23-Sep-13 23:01:34

And these people have degrees...confused

Aka Mon 23-Sep-13 23:10:12

To be fair, most teachers can spell and punctuate. Its just the odd won hoo slips though, the systum what gives all the uvers a bAD Name:

glammanana Mon 23-Sep-13 23:11:36

Aka I have the feeling that I will be going to the class open night for parents just before/after half term and a few words will be spoken by this nanna.

Gorki Mon 23-Sep-13 23:11:40

If these people are in their 30's or 40's it is probably not their fault if they cannot spell or punctuate as they grew up in an era when the focus in English lessons was creativity and not accuracy in grammar. My two sons both have extremely well-paid jobs though not in education .One cannot punctuate accurately and the younger one can neither punctuate nor spell correctly. They both feel very embarrassed about this and have tried to improve their standards as they know it reflects badly on them. I used to think it mattered but I don't now. I think social skills and personality are far more important and would feel happy to overlook the lack of skills in punctuation.

Formal grammar is now once again taught in schools I believe so there is hope for the next generation !

Aka Mon 23-Sep-13 23:13:54

Good for you Glamma

grumppa Mon 23-Sep-13 23:14:24

Of course it's totally unacceptable, and it sets an appalling example to the pupils. When confronted with a pile of job applications from unknowns, a lot of employers will start by rejecting those that contain misspellings and bad lapses of grammar, just as a simple way of reducing the pile. And if the applications are for a job that requires a degree of (not in) communications skill, who can blame them?

Granny23 Tue 24-Sep-13 00:41:32

One of my trainees asked me what he would do when he did not have me to check his spelling/grammar on Job applications etc. I told him he should ask his Mum or Granny. He returned to tell me that they were both very good at this. 'It is amazing' he said, 'How did you know they could do it?' wink

Ariadne Tue 24-Sep-13 06:18:59

Completely unacceptable! angry I spent a lot of time, when I was working at school, fulminating at the grammatical and spelling mistakes that a few of my staff made. Even made the IT specialist who created the website take it down and sort it out. Grrrrrr!

thatbags Tue 24-Sep-13 07:06:14

That Teusday is a typo not a spelling mistake, aka.

thatbags Tue 24-Sep-13 07:08:15

Deputy heads do more managing than teaching nowadays. Perhaps they are managers at heart rather than teachers. We all have a high opinion of middle management, don't we? hmm

MiceElf Tue 24-Sep-13 07:11:45

Mishap, I'm sure he was not appointed and that he was given feedback explaining why.

Glamma, I hope that the teacher and the headteacher were questioned about this and that it doesn't happen again. From a simple self preservation point of view, I would have thought that teachers would have marked homework if nothing else. After all, that's the work that's seen at home!

Gorki Tue 24-Sep-13 07:12:32

Totally agree with your last post thatbags. Also agreed with the comment about the typo.I don't think anyone has criticised our own thread "ToadyI" grin.If so, I missed it.

thatbags Tue 24-Sep-13 07:12:42

glam, I'd blast any primary school teacher of my child who didn't mark homework. Mind you, I never had to because I told her school when she was six that she did do 'homework' (whatever she was interested in, which was quite a lot) but she wouldn't be doing school work at home. That solved any potential non-marking problems before they arose.

The older two were never given school work to do at home when they were in primary school. Neither was I. That's how it should be in my opinion.

No, you are not being unreasonable, mishap.

Aka Tue 24-Sep-13 08:00:24

Not sure where you're coming from bags but the list I referred to with the spelling mistakes what handwritten in large letters about 4" high so the children could use them as......????

Aka Tue 24-Sep-13 08:01:30

Was handwritten...that's a typo.

Aka Tue 24-Sep-13 08:03:22

I think homework can be very valuable but I've not enough time now to argue my case.

thatbags Tue 24-Sep-13 08:04:15

Ah. I see. There was no mention of hand written in the original post. I assumed it had been printed (out of a printer, not by hand).