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To be horrified ....

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LizG Wed 20-Nov-13 09:03:38

.... when schools take children on a theatre outing to see Midsummer Night's Dream at a cost of £40 per child. How on earth are parents on benefits supposed to keep up?

baubles Wed 20-Nov-13 09:05:43

That does seem excessive, was it a subsidised trip?

annodomini Wed 20-Nov-13 09:11:55

The parents were asked for £40? That's crazy. As a school governor I would never have sanctioned that.

Riverwalk Wed 20-Nov-13 09:18:06

Not just parents on benefits Liz, also those on limited incomes.

£40 is the food budget for some families.

tiggypiro Wed 20-Nov-13 09:21:32

If I remember rightly, if the trip was part of the curriculum then parents wer invited to contribute to the cost. If they did not or could not then the cost was borne by the school. There was always the 'threat' on the 'invitation' letter that if insufficient people 'wanted' to go (ie paid up) then the trip would be cancelled.
£40 is way over the top ! Must have been organised by a teacher with no children !

LizG Wed 20-Nov-13 09:28:53

No offer of subsidy I am afraid. It is the same school which insists on the children having iPads when they join. I think they live in cloud cuckoo land.

thatbags Wed 20-Nov-13 09:47:39

Some universities give their students ipads. Saves having to hand out paper lecture notes, course instructions, etc. They just do everything online.

Is it a state school, lizg?

thatbags Wed 20-Nov-13 09:48:36

I presume that if the students lose or damage their tablet they have to supply themselves with a new one.

gracesmum Wed 20-Nov-13 10:00:39

So much for "free" education. I was acutely aware of the "extras" when I taught in our local comprehensive, but to be fair it appeared that the majority of parents had no problems with the huge number of ski trips/exchanges/PGL activity holidays/outings the kids seemed to enjoy.

I remember telling ours at the outset of their time at secondary school that they could have ONE "big" trip in their entire school career - DD1 went on a hockey lacrosse trip to Australia (that was a biggy but GPs helped and she took a job to contribute too) , DD2 went on a French exchange and DD3 went on a History trip to Berlin. And that was that. No parent likes saying NO but sometimes you just have to!

Riverwalk Wed 20-Nov-13 10:11:44

On a flight to San Francisco there was a large group of children (approx 14-year olds) from a state school in south Wales - their itinerary was SF, LA and Las Vegas!

Obviously not a compulsory part of the curriculum but it must have cost a small fortune.

Nonu Wed 20-Nov-13 10:48:52

Isn"t it true that if the teachers organise these trips , they go free !!

used to be anyway !

Skylark Wed 20-Nov-13 10:56:03

That is a huge amount, even for families where both parents work: often budgets are tight. I'd have hoped that a local theatre might put on a "school" performance, during the school day, and fill the theatre with kids for a tenner a seat.

That was a good way to do it, Gracesmum. I've a feeling we did something similar.

Teachers SHOULD go free if they are arranging a trip on behalf of the school. It is largely for the benefit of the kids, and isn't a holiday for the teacher, even if it is in an exotic place - the responsibility and organisation is huge.

Gally Wed 20-Nov-13 11:46:15

My DD's all went on a couple of trips during their school careers. The departments in their school all seemed to be vying for the biggest and the best trip and trying to out do each other for the furthest/most dangerous/most exciting destinations. After the older 2 had left school DD3 used to hide the information sheets at the bottom of her school bag 'because it's not fair to keep giving them to you Mum'. Her last trip was to India, but she had to raise all the funds herself over a period of 18 months and when they got there, they worked in a school in the Himalayas, building paths and walls. She returned to India the following year once she had left school because it had such a marked effect on her, so it was definitely a positive experience. I don't know how most parents can afford to support all these trips these days shock

LizG Wed 20-Nov-13 12:20:50

It's a state school thatbags and DGC is in second year. She admitted that they rarely use the IPads for school work! I should have thought iPads were only necessary for the last couple of years at school by which time the youngsters could save up for them from paper rounds or Saturday jobs. At 12 they are too young to work. I think iPads would be really useful for university.

harrigran Wed 20-Nov-13 12:38:28

We get a newspaper delivered, written and distributed by the local academy school. The photos of trips to America and more exotic locations cover page after page. This is not an affluent area, the school is in a very large social housing area. Going to Disney whatever as a reward for a years hard work is not on, I thought that children went to school to work not what they can get in the way of treats.
NYANBU Liz £40 is a lot for any family to fork out.

Nonu Wed 20-Nov-13 13:24:43

I o glad it these school trips weren't so prevalent when mine were young .
It might have caused us to scratch our heads a bit about cost ! because you can"t let yours be the only ones not going !!!!!
Think it is all going a bit OTT these days .

gillybob Wed 20-Nov-13 13:29:26

This doesn't suprise me at all LizG although from experience what happens in my grandchildrens school is that they are not allowed to exclude a child from a trip due to non payment. They know (from experience) the percentage of parents (or in our case grandparents) who will pay and those who will not and adjust the cost accordingly. Meaning that the payers pay more and the non payers remain just that !

gillybob Wed 20-Nov-13 13:33:22

The latest one from my grandchildrens school was:

There will be a class trip (year 1-2) to the Synagogue. The cost is £10 per child.

This journey would cost 50p by public transport !

My 5 year old grandaughter was gutted when she got back as she had no idea what "the Synagogue" was and the word must have sounded quite fun!

Nonu Wed 20-Nov-13 13:36:28

Liz , mine were doing a paper round when they were 12 .
Whether I would allow that in todays day & age is another matter !!

Riverwalk Wed 20-Nov-13 13:37:47

£10 - for what? !!

Surely the synagogue wouldn't charge and is not public transport free for school children?

Ana Wed 20-Nov-13 13:42:38

They hire buses/coaches for school trips, usually.

MiceElf Wed 20-Nov-13 13:46:23

Certainly in London there is free travel for all school age children, so no transport costs involved at all. Many places worthy of visits are free, for example all NT and English Heritage sites, same for all places of worship. And I think most theatres have greatly reduced rates for parties of ten or more.

Schools need to get chidren out of the classroom to enhance their learning, but they shouldnt be a travel agency. And parents shouldn't be under any pressure to pay for expensive trips.

gillybob Wed 20-Nov-13 13:48:37

Exactly Riverwalk £10 for what?

There is no charge for entering the synagogue but as Ana said they do hire a coach to take them there and there will be insurance and teachers costs too I would imagine.

The actual cost was probably only £5 but as I said earlier they charge more to those whom they know will pay to take into account those who do not.

Riverwalk Wed 20-Nov-13 13:49:24

In London Ana you see loads of kids out on school trips on public transport, probably because it's free!

Aka Wed 20-Nov-13 13:50:08

law about payment for school trips