Richard 111 again

He should be interred next to his wife. Can't remember where she is, but it certainly isn't Leicester.

Location of Anne Neville anyone?

York of course. He was Richard of York. He held court in York. The fact that his enemies killed and buried him in Leicester doesn't mean he belongs there. Bones do not have to be returned to where they were dug up. They must be re-interred in a consecrated area. Sheffield university has a consecrated store which holds many remains.

Isn't she in Westminster Abbey?

Wikipaedia says Westminster Abbey.

Neville Alliance anyone? Counter claim for disputed remains?

As I said. Westminster abbey. Makes sense all ways. With his wife and a monarch!

I am mostly a lurker, but am posting to say"stop telling everyone how lovely the East Midlands are". They'll all want to come here and spoil it!
And I'd have suggested Fotheringhay, but everyone there is keeping very quiet......................

The problem with Westminster Abbey is that they say they've run out of room. Also I don't think they know exactly where Anne Neville's grave is.
I have been a Ricardian for the last 50 years and I believe that he should go back to York. Leicester have been talking about just putting a slab in the floor and not even having a proper tomb. When he was found he'd been thrown into a hole that wasn't even a proper grave, naked and with his hands still tied. Leicester wasn't that bothered about him then.
The problem is that all the paperwork was drawn up at a time when no one really believed he would be found. Digging a hole in the ground and finding a named individual after 500 years just doesn't happen.
I expect Leicester will win but I think Richard would have hated the idea.

I'm sure Westminster could drill a vertical shaft for his bones! Has anyone asked them?

There is a beautifully designed tomb planned for Richard and I understand that the university were convinced before they started the excavation that they would find his body.

It isn't true that Richard has had no supporters in Leicester - there has been a very active fRochard lll Society for as long as I have lived here. The people who have provided the DNA live in Canada.

My Mum knew Gary Lineker's grandmother!

Where are you in the East Midlands*vesper*?

Vesper A Good point.

Anno I wonder if we share any ancestors?

One of my dearest friends comes from the E Midlands. That is my only connection other than going there a few times to conduct interviews.

Maybe an oubliette would be appropriate after what happened to the princes?

Isn't there now some doubt that he was involved in that Jess?

They were declared illegitimate, not by Richard who was very close to his brother and his nephews so he had no reason to arrange their murder. Tyrell did very nicely out of Richmond when he became Henry VII – who also dealt with the Nevilles. Now, he was a nasty piece of work!

Leicester look likely to soon have a premiership football team too. It could be their year!

Best not mention that too loudly round my family - they all support Forest

Are you near Fotheringhay Vesper? I love that place, and sitting on the mound above the river... Of course the place where Mary Queen of Scotts was executed.

Now, I wasn't there but I am pretty sure Richard III did not murder the brothers in the Tower. The supposition that Henry VII's mother, Margaret Beaufort, was behind the murders seems to make much more sense.

Trisha The Greyfriars buried him in Leicester in an honoured position in their church as soon as they could. Given the behaviour of the times it was lucky his enemies did not desecrate his remains or stick his head on a spike on the gate of the city as happened to a grand father in York.

KittyL is right. Leicester was always proud of its connections with him. My mum and aunts appeared to have learnt a lot about him at elementary school in the twenties and thirties and did not have Shakespear's concept of him as a villain.

No sound evidence at all that those boys were murdered on Richards orders. He was never officially accused of such a murder by the Henry Vll camp, which would have been a very good propaganda ploy to use in an invasion attempt.
The "princes" were debarred from the throne by "technical" illegitimacy, which was a serious business in those days.

Not to mention that there was a great deal of contemporary speculation that Edward lV was illegitimate as his Father was away on campaign in France at the time he would have been conceived. E4s mother Cecily Neville was strongly suspected to have had a liaison with a big blond soldier in his absence.

I must admit that I don't care one way or another where he should be re-buried, but if push comes to shove, as others have said he was Richard of York, therefore it's more fitting for him to be buried in York and not Leicester . What would he have chosen do you think?

I'm in East Northants - not too far from Fotheringhay, and in the general area of "North by Northamptonshire" (although the only authentic accent was the Scots one!)
As kids our history teaching definitely tended to the Ricardian!

My (monopoly) money's on Margaret Beaufort as well.

I'm from Yorkshire and lived in York for ten years, so I say York.
There's a very good museum to Richard in the walls of York.
His son is buried in Yorkshire, at Middleham, and they lived in Middleham Castle for a long time. They always went back to Middleham when they needed to relax and get away from court.
The only claim that Leicester has is that is where he was killed. He was killed near there because that is where the two armies met. It could just as easily been Nottingham or Warwick or anywhere in the midlands. Most kings are not buried where they were killed, but somewhere with some connection to them.

Mind you, he was Duke of Gloucester. There's a very impressive cathedral there....

Ooooh, Grumpa, you've muddied the waters now. York, Leicester or Gloucester?