Rolf Harris

Not that different here. It's very difficult to locate a low risk place for sex offenders to live. The troll's reference to Robert Hughes is Australian, so explains the time confusion.

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Do these children have nothing better to do than invent new names every five minutes? Is this a record for one day?

No, they don't.

"*Term 2 School Holidays 2014*

Australian Capital Territory: 5 July to 20 July
New South Wales: 28 June to 13 July
Northern Territory: 21 June to 20 July
Queensland: 28 June to 13 July
South Australia: 5 July to 20 July
Tasmania: 5 July to 20 July
Victoria: 28 June to 13 July
Western Australia: 5 July to 20 July"

In answer to elegrans question to who would gaurd them I believe they should be put in jail with everyone else if they don't survive well that would serve as a deterant to others who want to commit these kind of offences

Does anybody else have an opinion?

Oh sugar! You've gotta be on here every minute or else you miss the good bits.

Yes tonyabbot we are a civilised society and we do not throw people into prison to be torn apart by their fellow prisoners, however abhorrent their crimes.

Oh, I thought we were ignoring 'em...doesn't work unless everyone's on board, though!

But there are some naughty children...

That was meant to follow on from Gill' s.

I just think its unforgivable and they get what they deserve

GillT57 exactly so! we are a civilised society, or at least we claim to be.

I agree - let's leave the illiterati to their sad little games of attention seeking.

I have been expecting news that RF has committed suicide before he is sentenced tomorrow.

He will lead a very different life from the one he has had in the last 84 years.

I wonder how long he will get ?

Yes, I have wondered if he is a suicide risk, too, nanKate. He'll be watched carefully in prison, but another part of me thinks he might get involved in education/art and make himself useful when he's not doing sessions on his offences.

I hope you are right when.

I am surprised that he has been granted unconditional bail pending sentencing. I would have thought that he would be in custody pending sentencing, partly because he could now be a suicide risk.

Despite a legal team of very forceful, obviously clever and probably expensive barristers etc, he was found guilty by a unanimous verdict, and there may be more charges pending.

What have I missed whilst I have been out - more childish prattle?
By the way, johnnycash, I don't think Tony Abbott will take kindly to you taking his name as your pseudonym and projecting your thoughts and remarks on to him.
Do I hear the word litigation ........

Can I just say how much I enjoy GN? This is a grim subject, and I have thoroughly enjoyed reading everyone's input and opinions, and in some cases very relevant experience, either professional or personal. Maybe enjoy isn't the right word for the terrible things that some of you have been brave enough to share, but I feel that this forum is a great place to find out what people really think, not the newspapers. Meanwhile, in Whitehall and Westminster, and Strasbourg they twitter on in their little way, just not knowing how we all feel, cope, and simply get on with whatever life throws our way.

Being a suicide risk isn't a reason to refuse bail. There have to be very strong reasons to deny it. For example, interfering with witnesses, the likelihood if committing further offences, lack of community ties and so on. It's unlikely that any of these apply in his case. But when sentencing takes place tomorrow (after the judge has read the social enquiry reports) we shall see what the next years hold for him.

"Don"t think it will be barrel of laughs for him , as it wasn"t for his victims !

I have a thought after reading Jeannette Kapfermann in the paper today who was friends with Rolf and his family for years.

Rolf was apparently very much into community life where they lived and supported the local events and interacted very much with everyone and was the life and soul of the party. Officiated at the local fete etc.

She of course was horrified and dismayed when all this came out.

I then thought of Savile and they way he popularised himself by doing all his `charity` work.

I then decided this is what these two men have in common, apart from the obvious of course. They both went out of their way to produce a smoke screen of goodness and likeability to cover up their modus operandi.

Compare them with Jim Davidson who was/is a womaniser but didn't bother to try to hide the fact and didn't try to alter the public perception of what he was and he has been found innocent.

It makes you think

I wonder if there is an element of self-denial (not with Jimmy Savile, as he proved to be cocky and arrogant in how he deceived the public). Personally, I think that RH probably loved his wife in as limited a way as he could, perhaps putting her on a pedestal, and loved his daughter in a normal father/daughter way, although I think she may have had suspicions about him. Was this a deliberate smokescreen, or a 'split personality', separating his jolly persona and portrayal of happy family man from his other, darker, character. Or was it all a deliberate pretence?

Of course, being imprisoned awaiting sentencing has not always prevented suicide. Some would say 'good riddance' but others would feel they should have faced justice and served their sentence.

It sounds as if he had a rather strange upbringing, but it leaves one wondering about the nature or nurture conundrum.