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To think that Prince Charles is slow on the uptake

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JessM Thu 22-May-14 20:55:05

With international relations between the UK and Russia in a delicate state, Prince Charles apparently likens Putin to Hitler while chatting to a Canadian during an official tour. This seems to reveal a complete disregard for the need to be diplomatic. Does this stem from arrogance or the fact that after all this time as a grown up prince he just does not understand that royals need to keep their mouths shut and stay out of politics. He seems to have inherited his fathers lack of tact. Is his mother tearing her hair out do we think? She who has always been the soul of discretion.

Galen Thu 22-May-14 20:58:37

Like father, like son!

Ana Thu 22-May-14 20:59:21

There does seem to be some confusion about what he actually said. As for some calling for him to 'abdicate'...confused

merlotgran Thu 22-May-14 21:02:26

And of course we have to believe the Daily Mail reporter who was eavesdropping behind a pillar.

I believe it was a private conversation. Did the woman he was speaking to comment?

rosequartz Thu 22-May-14 21:07:11

It is a pity he can't make any comment without someone eavesdropping and it being reported in the press. Even phone calls have been hacked. I would not like their lives even with all the privileges.

I will say that HM has been the soul of discretion, but I think people near to her would not 'sneak' and if they did, I wonder which newspapers would report it?

granjura Thu 22-May-14 21:11:23

Agree about the need for diplomacy- but he was not far wrong, was he? And in a private conversation- not a public speech or tv interview. If anyone is to blame, it is the reporter and editors, and the paper that decided to go to print

He is not at all like his father actually. The reason his mother does not want to abdicate is because he has made it clear he would refuse to be the Head of the Anglican Church- which would force the country to do some much needed re-thinking of the power of the Anglican Church on the country- and move towards separation of Church and State in a modern and multicultural society. I am not Royal fan, but good for him I say.

Mishap Thu 22-May-14 21:18:32

Has Charles made it clear that he would not be head of Anglican church? - I did not know that. Good for him from me too.

Mishap Thu 22-May-14 21:21:59

Just looked it up and he made the suggestion in 2008 that he would wish to be Defender of Faith, rather than defender of THE Faith. Interesting. All faiths? - even those with barbaric practices?

But I do see where he is coming from and good for him to be trying to move things on.

rosequartz Thu 22-May-14 21:22:36

He said years ago that he would like to be known as 'Defender of Faiths' I believe.

granjura Thu 22-May-14 21:23:11

The move would mean the monarch, as Supreme Governor of the Church of England, would no longer be known as Defender of the Faith for the first time since the reign of Henry VIII.

The Prince caused controversy within the Anglican church when he floated the idea several years ago of becoming Defender of the Faiths in an attempt to embrace the other religions in Britain.

In a compromise he has now opted for Defender of Faith which he hopes will unite the different strands of society, and their beliefs, at his Coronation.

However, there would be huge obstacles to overcome before the Prince can fulfil his wish which he has discussed with some of his closest advisers. It would require Parliament to agree to amend the 1953 Royal Titles Act which came into law after changes were made for the Queen's Coronation in the same year. A senior source told The Daily Telegraph: "There have been lots of discussions. He would like to be known as the Defender of Faith which is a subtle but hugely symbolic shift."

The Monarch has been known by the title Defender of the Faith ever since the title was bestowed on Henry VIII by the Pope in 1521 for his early support for Roman Catholicism

As you said, already in 2008- and I believe the reason his mother is concerned about abdication.

rosequartz Thu 22-May-14 21:23:12

X post!

Lilygran Thu 22-May-14 21:39:41

Henry Vlll was given the title 'Defender of the Faith' by the then Pope because of his defence of Catholicism against the wave of Protestantism sweeping Europe. That was before he refused to pay any more taxes to Rome and divorced himself in direct disobedience to Papal instructions. Then every other sovereign kept it. Funny old world! I think the Queen won't abdicate because she has a very strong sense of duty and because of her uncle, whose refusal to accept his responsibilities resulted in her father being lumbered with them.

Riverwalk Thu 22-May-14 21:50:52

Did anyone know that he was even in Canada until this erupted? hmm

I'm no fan of Putin but it's very insensitive to liken any Russian leader to Hitler, in light of their losses in WW2.

granjura Thu 22-May-14 21:55:03

Big difference between

defender of the faith


defender of the faiths - hope it includes humanism and even atheism too.

Ana Thu 22-May-14 22:00:14

As I said before, does anyone know exactly what he said? The BBC radio news report I heard this morning indicated it was a throwaway remark, not accusing Putin of 'being like Hitler'.

(to get back to the subject of the OP)

Tegan Thu 22-May-14 22:09:41

I was begining to wonder why the news media hadn't said much about the things that Russia were up to at the moment; but then again we have to be careful as we depend on them for our gas etc wink. I guess Prince Charles had an Emperors New Clothes moment. The person at fault is the one that repeated it, given that it seems to have been a private conversation.

HollyDaze Thu 22-May-14 22:46:15

I heard that Putin is insisting on an apology - it will be interesting to see how that pans out!

POGS Fri 23-May-14 00:14:29

What piddles me off is the fact that a personal conversation is mentioned and takes percedence over the fact TODAY in the United Nations over 60 countries voted to take the Syrian government and opposition to task over war crimes and Russia and China vetoed all of them.

Charles was a fool if he doesn't know he has to be careful who, where and when he opens his gob. Having said that did he not say what the likes of Hilary Clinton has said and the rest of us think?

merlotgran Fri 23-May-14 00:20:39

I'm irritated by the fact that PC must know that the press are swarming wherever he is and whatever he does. It was a private conversation and we don't know exactly what he said but for someone who generally regards the press as the enemy, he should have been more guarded.

POGS Fri 23-May-14 00:41:27

When will our press and media stop the b---y trivia and focus on the serious problems the world faces.

JessM Fri 23-May-14 06:33:08

Quite pogs. Russia's behaviour re Syria is just as bad, if not worse, than behaviour re Ukraine.It looks as though the Syrian government is "winning" now thanks to their political support and presumably arms.
To my mind a "private conversation" for PC would be one he has with Camilla over breakfast, or with a member of his staff. Not one he has with a member of the public when he is very much on official business. These days members of public can record your words on their phone or post them on FB or Twitter in less time than it takes for him to remember all his names and titles.

Soutra Fri 23-May-14 07:17:41

I agree that PC is not like his father whose "bons mots" I usually fail to find amusing. I believe he is a thoughtful and sensitive man who has said some wise things - so not "slow on the uptake." On this occasion his comment seems to have been seized on with glee by the press.If only they accorded equal importance to other things he has said. His views on the environment once laughed out of court, have been vindicated. How frustrating not to be able to express an opinion which many people share.Was it misguided? Ill-timed? Should the woman have kept it to herself? Well Maybe, Maybe and Yes in that order. I also believe gj that HM has no plans to abdicate because she is Queen and dedicated her whole life to her country when her father died not for some individual reason although you may know more about this?

Penstemmon Fri 23-May-14 08:19:35

It might have not been a comment made publicly but when talking to a foreign official you are a fool to think it is like having a personal conversation with an odd chum! Agree we do not know what was actually said but he should be more aware of what /how he says things.

Nelliemoser Fri 23-May-14 09:08:18

The impression I get is that we actually know very little about what was said, or how much spin has been made out of it.

OK! Charlie was talking to an elderly lady about what happened when she fled Europe as Hitler's Germany was taking over her country, like Russia has just taken over parts of the Ukraine.

The problem is that this statement seems to have been translated by the media into Prince Charles likening Putin to Hitler. That is a very big jump to make.
There is a huge difference of meaning here within the subtleties and context of conversation about what he said and considering this remark as him making a political statement.
Does anyone actually now know what exactly was said, the context in which it was said and who reported it to the media?

So should we really be drawing any conclusions on something that has become a big highly charged game of Chinese whispers? This was not a public speech.

Anniebach Fri 23-May-14 09:41:48

He was at a public function and said the Putin comment to a member of the public, a very elderly lady was was telling him of her ordeal , think the lady had fled either Germany or a camp. I read the lady repeated to the press what he said

What makes me angry with Charles is his hypocrisy , he snubbed the Chinese over their actions in Tibet, he has insulted Russia but never, ever has he said one word about the brutality in Saudia Arabia and their royals who are also close friends and shower the windsors with gifts