Christian Family face possible legal action

I don't think I can get my head round the muslim/cartoon thing.

Perhaps if it was a non-muslim requesting it, and it would be, then that would be contravening the rights of the non muslim customer. There is no law against producing or selling cartoon of the Phrophet. Don't think it would be breaking any equality law though.

Yes. (In answer to ana) (so long as they got the same EU judge on the case )

No, I agree, that's why I changed the cake order to the same as the original one. Let's assume the bakers in question are strict muslims.

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As christians we have to act according to what we believe.
The bible bit is Romans chapter 14, verse 23.
If we dont act according to what we believe, we sin.
So if the owners of the bakery thought that God didnt want them to do it, and then they had gone ahead and done it...

I think the problem comes soontobe when people with religious views start imposing them on others. e.g. bullying people outside abortion clinics.

The cake was commissioned to garner support for gay marriage in Ireland.It isn't legal there.......yet.The vote to decide comes any minute now.

Oh come on! We can't extend this that far! It's completely different anyway.

(in response to jess's post)

I agree JessM. Forgetting the love part is a big issue too.

Ana Since it hasn't happened, we can't know that, but they certainly should be, as the same legal point applies.

Of course it hasn't happened, no one would dare to put it to the test.

Christianity is such an easy target, isn't it?

It's an interesting point though.What if a Muslim couple wanted a cake that said in icing' there is no God but Allah' and it was a very Christian or Jewish bakery?Or a Christian couple wanted a cake for a celebration for a pork butcher, so the cake had a little pig holding a string of sausages on the top, and the bakery was Jewish ? or a Christian couple wanted a cake in the shape of a cross with a Christian message in icing?These are all silly things I just thought up, but do wonder what the legal outcome may be?

In what way are Christian bakers being unchristian by writing something for someone else (on a cake, because that's their business) that they would not write for themselves?

Suppose it's like condoning it.

thatbags. I know that you like debates like this Not playing Read the thread, or read the bible.

What if someone who couldn't read or write asked a professional letter-writer to write to someone, saying something that the letter-writer didn't agree with? Should he refuse, and/or alter the letter to express his own views?

There was a story about an illiterate woman who made the friend who was reading out a love letter to her cover her ears so that she would not hear the private things she was reading out. Should someone who is just the go-between ignore the message they are taking or the things they ice on the cake?

That's what I think too, elegran. The message on the cake is not the issue. The bakers' disapproval of homosexuality is the issue. The judge has said, if you'll excuse the colloquialism that follows: Keep your disapproval to yourselves and treat all your customers equally. Or, if you can't do that, don't run a public business where people expect to be treated equally.

It's really very simple.

Game, soon? It's not a bloody game.

Elegran, I think we've strayed rather too far into 'sensibilities offending' territory rather than actual law-breaking, which is what this case was actually about.

I'm still wondering whether anyone would have the courage to ask a Muslim bakery to produce the cake with the slogan.

Actually, I ironed out the colloquialism but forgot to iron out the word, IYSWIM.

Perhaps no-one would have that courage, ana, but that's a sad reflection of intolerance and what it does to people.

Yes - but why is Christianity fair game while other religions have to be treated with kid gloves? Ridiculous!

All these 'what if someone did this' and someone else did this' are making my brain seize up.

So irrelevant.

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It is God that is getting ruled out. And christians just cant do that. No matter how hard everyone else tries to get them too.

That is why, no matter what insults I get on gransnet, it is nothing compared to that I may have to face.