To think the school has not dealt with this well?

Petra that was my point exactly. No one would have got as far as tying up either of my GDs. Can i remind G2 thst she said in her OP that Her GD 'asked him to stop'....well my GDs would have shouted it from the rooftops and probably kicked him in the goolies for good measure.

Not having read the other thread that has been referred to , I didn't realise for a while that the op was supposed to be a spoof. Now I'm confused as I don't know if I should be amused or not.

Faye being punched in the stomach is assault and that Deputy HT was completely in the wrong to make her apologise.

Yes Ginny some of us CBA to read threads about 50 shades, or the book so we're at a cultural disadvantage.

I haven't seen the film Anya but I did try to read the book. I'm not sure Culture comes into it !

I did read the first few chapters too Ginny but gave up. I'm not a fan of anything that portrays women as victims.

If two people are having a S & M session is the masochist a victim though?

I don't think he or she is.

Would you consider men who like to employ the services of a dominatrix victims?

Yes he was Anya. DD was furious when GD came home and explained she deserved being punched because she (because the deputy Head said so) interfered (stood up for her friend). What sort of message does that give a young girl? My SIL said the deputy ended up apologising to GD, after SIL took time off work and spoke to him the very next day.

I'm almost starting to wish I'd read this book now. Almost.

Was all the stuff in it consensual?

Sorry!

As I seem to be the only person who has admitted to reading one and a half books, I will answer your question.
I thought, that though she found it all rather weird, it was consensual and at no time did I think she was being raped.
This from a person who loathed Wolf Hall, far too much violence in my opinion.

Maybe it's because I know my Jane Austen pretty well, that I was able to detect the irony of the OP.

Petaluma definitions of masochism
1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.

Allowing yourself to be 'physically or emotionally abused' or 'humiliated or mistreated' sounds like a victim complex to me.

Anyway some people actually enjoy being a victim.

But it's just a bee I have in my bonnet about women as victims. I know several who feel positively relish their role as 'victim'

Sorry about misspelling your name petallus - predictive text run amok

Right! That's it Juliette. I've got to get it. Hope it's on kindle. Too to get it in a shop.

Ooh! Perhaps I could ask for it for Mothers' Day. make a change from stuffed hearts

You actually talk about sexual preferences with your friends Anya?!

I have read it and it is so badly written it is laughable.

victims in the wider sense Jingl

I like Petaluma !

I see what you are saying Anya and I certainly don't like portrayals of women as victims in generally available erotica/pornography. It makes me cringe.

Between consenting adults in private, with the use of a safe word and all that, well I think that's different.

And what if the S and M is between two women? Would you still see one of them as a victim? I ask because for me a man would have to be involved, with all the history of oppression that goes with the hetero relationships.

Are we drifting into fantasy-land?

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Petaluma (it does have a certain je ne sais pas doesn't it?) you're losing me somewhat on S & M, I really have little experience to base my point of view on. But if you know better.....

And I think we may have shocked Jingl she pulling funny faces at us!!

pas quoi

Most, but not all, of my knowledge about these matters is second hand. I have had some very adventurous friends!

Including a couple of gay women who were into S and M. They were only slightly mortified when their next door neighbour dropped a strong hint about the thinness of the walls between the houses.