Germaine Greer vs Jane Fonda

Yes, the 'brain' comment was just unnecessary and made Germaine sound bitchy.

I agree with that, jane, but I don't think Greer would be Greer if she wasn't a bit sharp at times.

Does being sharp have to entail being bitchy?

Have to say that Jane Fonda loomed ama

Sorry should say she looked amazing in Cannes.

It seems a great pity that Jane Fonda appears to have gone full circle and be back in a place where she feels women should dress/keep slim etc in order to attract men.

I agree with janeainsworth that Germaine ought to have been able to challenge this pathetic world view more effectively than by being so very unkind and nasty. I'm avoiding the B word, don't like it

If I had to spend an evening with one of them it would have to be Germaine. I imagine it would be stimulating and entertaining.

GG was speaking during a public event. She was being entertaining, while making a point. She was a lot more polite than many so-called comedians these days, who are seen as quite acceptable.

Deedaa I heard her speak once at the Tyneside cinema, giving a lecture and doing a book signing.
She was an amazing speaker, just responding to questions and speaking without notes.
But I did think at the time it would have been rather scary being one of her students - she was Professor of English at Warwick at the time.

Agree with you Iam about the b-word. I don't use it lightly!

I sort of agree about spending an evening with Germaine but I'd have to confine the conversation to parrots and Shrek; anything beyond that and I'd be scared of annoying her. I've always thought that, if I did have to spend, say a train journey next to someone famous and feel comfortable with the conversation it would have to be Clare Balding, but that's probably because I could talk about racing and dogs.

Having read farnorth's comment, I wonder if people who dislike what the article says about Greer would have felt differently about it had they actually been listening to her live and in context. Newspapers do have a way of distorting things.

Yes, she was being entertaining FarNorth and her ascorbic wit is part of her charm. She could have made the same points without being so unkind about another older woman who is also continuing to make a living, not something that gets easier with age.

bags I think that amusing an audience by making unkind comments about someone else is not being clever or funny, it's just making a cheap gibe.
If GG had criticised JFs ideas - fine.
To criticise her for having artificial hips and knees, and get in a little dig about her brain, well if I'd been in the audience, I certainly wouldn't have been laughing.

Some people just dont see anything wrong with another person being bitchy and unkind.

Especially if contained in wit.

And your point is ??? what soon

So some people think GG was ok to say what she did.

jane, I repeat, I do not think, from reading the link in the OP, that Greer was criticising Fonda for having replacement joints. She was criticising the cosmetic, keep-me-looking-younger-so-I-can-still-attract-men surgeries. I think that's within reason, whether funny or not, and I think a jibe at the brain (motivation) of someone who has this kind of surgery is fair game too. Greer, it would appear, thinks that kind of surgery is ridiculous. She's allowed to say so. Of course some people are not going to like it. I'm not sure I would if I'd been in that audience, but I do agree with it.

I think the jibe was at the phenomenon called "Barbie doll mentality".

Has anyone read the article where JF is speaking. To me, she's not so much saying that 'I want to stay looking young to attract younger men' it's about the industry where she still wants to work.
It's not right, but that's the way it is.

Go with GG all the time. She has always been outspoken, but isn't one of the best things about being older that you can say and do things without giving a s--t? Poor JF indeed if not only does she have to keep fighting a losing battle with the years but she can't say outrageous things either. Actors do work when they let the years show- our own Maggie Smith is a prime example. JF might do better to let go and take up character acting.

Germaine Greer is a very accomplished and successful academic who doesn't rely on her looks in order to do her job. She, like Mary Beard, may find that appearances on TV will elicit all sorts of nastiness but if she ever decided to to opt out of the media, she will still have a career as an academic and writer.

Unfortunately women with media careers - whether it be TV or films - are at a great disadvantage once they get older and that is one of the reasons (along with the damaged self esteem that women tend to have) why they resort to cosmetic surgery.

I like Germaine Greer very much and think she is highly intelligent, amusing and forthright. I think she is right to be critical of Jane Fonda's involvement in the cosmetics industry which, whilst professing to empower women in fact does the opposite by presenting a wholly unrealistic vision of what women look like. However, it appears that Jane Fonda has also had self-esteem issues and said in the interview "I was brought up to believe that unless you looked a certain way no-one would love you". It's hardly surprising that, despite her successful career, underneath it all she still feels it necessary to try and "look a certain way".

I just think Germaine Greer's argument would have been more effective - and less open to accusations of "bitchiness" - if she had not resorted to demeaning another woman.

But would so many people have heard about it and discussed it?