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soapsoanelive Mon 29-Feb-16 20:35:47

Help: my daughter fell in love with the son of a self made (200 million pound turnover) millionaire. They fell in love when they were sixteen and it never crossed my mind how complicated that legacy would be in the future.

It did start with the wedding: I thought it was funny that although we had put half towards (one) of the venues, paid for the flowers and (one) of the modes of transport, and paid for the dress, that, apparently, I heard his parents had spent £50,000. It didn't look that expensive, but then, you never know. My partner did the photography and I made a book, a fairy tale of their romance which culminated in their meeting at Glastonbury. I thought how beautiful.

It was sad that apparently when my new son in law took pics of me and my partner and my daughter that for some reason they were overexposed while the photos of his mum and dad bloomed out. At the time it didn't occur to me that the reason rich people are rich is not because they are inherently superior it's that they don't give credit fairly or equally. It didn't occur to me that my new son in law was under massive pressure from his parents.

I began to realise as time went on that they weren't interested in me, they wanted my daughter but it wasn't just that they wanted to alienate her from me. They were always nice: during my daughter's and their son's courtship they'd taken them on holiday, going around the world, I bought little presents, like pocket tour guides for their whole family, thinking how lovely, wanting to participate. When they were in their post graduate time they offered to buy a flat that they could live in: wow I thought, how wonderful, how lovely. When it came to their marriage, before the marriage they said that they wanted to buy a property for them: it would be their gift, a living legacy. They bought a half a million pound house for them: at the time I thought, wow, this is amazing.

But it really isn't amazing. Although my daughter and my son in law are brilliant, clever and accomplished and have good jobs the house that thy've lived in for the past six years still belongs to the company. It hasn't been given to them (yet) and they're kind of living rent free in a property that his mother has controlled since they moved in: repairs, decorating, interior design and furnishing are all 'don't worry yourselves about that: we'll get someone in to do that'. It's a kind of weird control: they don't own the house and the big holidays are all determined by his parents. So they aren't independent and it doesn't look as if they'll ever be independent unless they stand up to his parents. I have gone up to see them every week since my grandson was born, he's now four and it's been so lonely for me: his parents have paid for an expensive nursery (so they can both go back to work-it seemed 'kind' but now I think it's about control). They were both studying for their phds: all was smooth and calm when my son in law completed his: when it came to my daughter completing hers my sister in law decided that urgent house repairs (including scaffolding) needed to be done, decorating re carpettting etc. This has caused real problems between me and my daughter as it seems that it can't be discussed fairly. When she was finishing her phd I helped her with her footnotes and bibliography. It was a massive job and she said 'let's meet up after the viva, just you and I'. We were supposed to meet the following Sunday. What actually happened was that I didn't hear from my daughter until a text message alerting me to the fact that his parents would also be there. It was weird and arriving to meet them I felt that they were trying to prevent us from being alone. My daughter loves her husband with all her heart but actually, he's a brat (very responsible and upright and conforming but terrified of his parents and jealous of my relationship with my daughter because his parents are so invasive). My relationship with my daughter is now false and hypocritical: I love them but I hate the way they're being made to live. I've tried to raise this with my daughter but we always fall out.

Last week was the final straw: I'd gone over (an hour each way on the train plus bus rides, and nursery pick up, as you do). My daughter had put together a hamper for mother's day. I was surprised and pleased until I realised that the mother's day hamper had been put together to buy me off- they were all going skiing the following week and noone had bothered to let me know in advance, even though they'd known for a couple of months. I've always had a strong and direct relationship with my daughter but little by little her husband's family are prioritising their lives (and not needing to demean themselves by offering me the courtesy of letting me know that they wanted to go skiing. I wouldn't have minded: I don't mind but it's the exclusion and the sneakiness that's driving a wedge between my daughter. They have two other children (a daughter who is incredibly bright and who has had a really wild few years before 'settling down' with another millionaire's son (who'd caused her major problems in the past). The other son has learning difficulties and has a girlfriend who also has learning difficulties: he's been posting on facebook about how sad he is because he isn't allowed to take his girlfriend skiing. It's like my relationship is like a servant: a function and I am not permitted to think that our past: the way I buy, cook, think, live bears no relation to the life they live. The problem is it isn't their choice it's defined for them by his parents.

Help! What can I do to make this better?

sherish Thu 03-Mar-16 11:47:04

This post is getting out of hand. Is it just me now seeing it as pointless. What does this woman want?

Tegan Thu 03-Mar-16 12:00:07

Her DD has been in the relationship since she was 16; hence the '18 years' timescale. My feelings about it all is that it's a situation that has been ongoing for a long time but the OP has only just found herself looking at it in a different light; probably a result of having more time on her hands to think it through. And just [call me naïve] felt that gransnet was a good place to talk through her feelings and get advice/constructive critiscism.

Martha350 Thu 03-Mar-16 13:18:38

Agree with you sherish ?

aggie Thu 03-Mar-16 13:22:03

Sigh .... thought this had been consigned to the bin by now ..........

petra Thu 03-Mar-16 14:07:52

Soapsoanelive. Do you speak as you write? If that's a yes, and I suspect it is, you wouldn't have seen my heels for dust if I were your Daughter. Join the real world.

soapsoanelive Thu 03-Mar-16 16:25:36

Farnorth, harrigan, Cherrytree, rosesarered, Jalima, Ana, Alea, obieone: my daughter wants to do things, get on with me week to week just as I do with her but I realise she doesn't have much control: we plan things and I have to accept that they'll be cancelled or postponed. I'm really not jealous of the in laws it's just that they will make an arrangement, planned months in advance and set in stone, yet arrangements with me can be changed at a moment's notice. Little by little it has the effect of changing how we communicate: we love each other but it's as if my daughter and I aren't trusted to be on our own together because I might make demands on her that would distract her from her life: there's no sense from them that what we do and what we did before she met the son in law made her and I who we are: it's like history began when they met at 16 at Glasto. Really.

I don't want their life: I would like to make a good living for the rest of my life but I really just get on with my life and wouldn't dream of doing anything that would adversely affect anyone else's plans or aspirations. I do feel that my aspirations to be part of my daughter's life have already been assessed as not part of the future plan by them.

When I wrote this I felt 'remaindered' that it really didn't matter what I said or did, the important people were always my son in law's folks.

It struck me that although I really love them all and my grandchild it's not doing anyone any favours if it stays like this. My daughter is put in a position where she feels torn between the two families: my son in law's mother says she is a 'people pleaser'. Well no, actually, she cares about people.

NanaandGrampy Thu 03-Mar-16 16:39:18

Who cancels these arrangements between you and your daughter because you make it sound like someone else does it.

Does she not have a mouth? Or an opinion ? Or better yet a backbone?

Your daughter only feels torn between two families because you're trying so desperately hard to hang onto her that you're making it so . She is only 'put' in this position because she allows it. She sounds like a grown, educated woman - so it sounds to me like shes doing exactly what she wants.

Im still only hearing me me me in your posts , and Im sorry to be so blunt about it , but Im reading your posts and I almost want to lay down and not get up again !!

Is it not time you got on with your life? You're still working ( hopefully at something you love). You obviously have your own home. Build your life without the expectation of being attached to your daughter and enjoy the times you do have because currently you seem to be missing the wheat from the chaff !

obieone Thu 03-Mar-16 16:43:19

She could be a people pleaser and cares about people.

obieone Thu 03-Mar-16 16:46:02

I agree with parts of your post and not others NanaandGrampy.

I agree with your first two paragraphs and part of the 3rd.

The rest - no way would I abandon my DD

Stansgran Thu 03-Mar-16 16:58:37

I think some Gransnetters are being a bit harsh to a new poster. I don't think calling her "this woman" is helpful. To me op wants to be the centre Of her daughter's life. I would love to be the person (with DH )my DDs prioritise but they have husband children and jobs and in laws to add to the mix. And inlaws help with the children occasionally or give intelligent advice about mortgages. So it's a balance. If your daughter has fallen for somebody at 16 surely your values have been taken on board or rejected by now 18 years later. She wouldn't cancel arrangements if she didn't want to. If a friend is getting married at a ski resort where she is on holiday surely you don't expect her to miss that for Mothering Sunday?

TriciaF Thu 03-Mar-16 17:38:53

Soap - I have to admit that I've hardly read anything of what you've written. I've just counted on page one of this thread - 150 lines at least shock
Then there are another 4 pages.
If you really want some advice, and sympathy, in my view you need to learn to be more concise in your writing. Cut out the flowery stuff, make your points clearly.

NanaandGrampy Thu 03-Mar-16 18:19:45

obieone fair enough , but I'm not saying abandon her DD just make a life that's not dependant on her daughter.

Sometimes clinging on so tightly to someone or something has the opposite effect and maybe her daughter is feeling a little suffocated ?

I think I have to support TriciaF - she really does have a point.

Jalima Thu 03-Mar-16 18:41:08

Referring back to the OP and the point about your DD's house:
It hasn't been given to them (yet) and they're kind of living rent free in a property that his mother has controlled since they moved in:

Well, it's obvious to me that the house is probably owned by the company and is some kind of tax loophole, not that the MIL is trying to control things.
How do you know that their business has a £200,000,000 turnover? Did they volunteer this information? Do your DD and SIL work in the business?

Your DD has been with her husband for over half of her life - she was still a girl when they got together and, unless she is unhappy, I think you just have to make the best of your relationship with her and with your DGS.

How does she get on with your partner btw?

Alea Thu 03-Mar-16 23:28:05

Anybody else get a recurring if fleeting sense of irritation at the thread title which says"Rich in Laws" as opposed to "Rich In-laws"??
I still wonder when I read it, of which laws OP feels she enjoys an "embarras de richesse"?

Jalima Thu 03-Mar-16 23:53:06

I read some novels on my Kindle which are irritating because they are in need of a good editing.
I have the same feeling about this thread.
confused

Synonymous Fri 04-Mar-16 00:26:36

Without wishing to be unkind when there is clearly someone struggling with life I must at this point conclude that when the OP's vision of life is so exclusively self centred the problem is entirely self made. The remedy is entirely in her own hands with applied common sense and help from a counsellor.

A sensible woman would assuredly have got the message by now and backed off from the effort to be number 1 in her DD's life. OP is now down to at least number 3 but more likely to number 5 since DD's MIL & FIL are the source of their livelihood and DD is clearly not unhappy.

A sensible woman would make the most of the time she has with her GC since she has not been cut out of their lives - yet. I would almost expect her to be cut out of their lives if they read this thread or have it brought to their notice but on second thoughts they probably have become innured to her so may well not be surprised at it and are people too nice to take such action.

A sensible woman would not be engaged in navel gazing but would be making an independent life for herself and be happy to be included in the busy lives of her DD's family when convenient.

There are so many problems in the world which are worth 5 pages on GN but this is not one of them!

(#head in hands with despair and boredom sad)

Alea Fri 04-Mar-16 10:38:36

There has also been something which I can't put my finger on, somewhere between bragging and pride.

How relevant was the £200million turnover?
The mention of PhD's?
The £500k house ( not unusual these days!)
The "millionaire's son in-laws' SIL "?

Inverted snobbery? Or trying to impress?
The dysfunctional relationship could have existed just as easily without the money references. These suggest to me that OP is in fact impressed or overawed by their financial situation.

Elegran Fri 04-Mar-16 16:04:55

Why can't I post any more on this thread?

Elegran Fri 04-Mar-16 16:06:19

Very strange, I could send that short post, but my longer, carefully considered one failrd three times to appear! I shall try again - fingers crossed.

Elegran Fri 04-Mar-16 16:07:29

Still no luck. I shall try another short one.

soaps so ane live hasn't posted for a bit, perhaps she has solved the problem.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 04-Mar-16 16:09:02

Well, the OP seems to have got bored with it round about half past four yesterday.

Elegran Fri 04-Mar-16 16:09:06

The OP's long posts got through without a problem. what's wrong with mine? Will try a FIFTH time.

Elegran Fri 04-Mar-16 16:09:29

My advice to her would be:-

Stop analysing the situation to death. If you spend too much time when you are with your daughter on minute analysis and theorising on the dynamics of money, you won't have any time left to enjoy her company.

Trust your daughter's judgment. If she hasn't complained in the 18 years she has known this family then perhaps she likes her inlaws, and maybe her position (and that of her husband) is not as subservient as you imagine it to be. If she had the brains and dedication to get a PhD, she has the brains and dedication to carve her own niche.

Allow her to decide for herself what she goes along with and where she asserts her own authority as the mother of her own little family. Who knows, in another generation, she could be the matriarch of the whole empire, with a daughter-in-law of her own to welcome in. With her experience as an incomer, she could make an excellent mentor for someone.

You are probably finding that now you are redundant you don't have enough to exercise your own brain and organising abilities. If there are no jobs available, it could be time to look for a volunteering opportunity. You need an all-absorbing interest that doesn't leave you any time for dwelling on "the other family" who you think have taken your daughter from you.

After a bit you will settle into the same place that most of the grans on here occupy - you will have some of your daughter's time and attention, but not all of it. You will enjoy seeing her and telling her what you have been doing, and hearing what she has been doing, without always feeling that you are second best.

You might even find that you have to cancel a planned meeting once in a while!

Does soaps so ane live = soaps . . . live? A suitable username for your long and convoluted posts!

Elegran Fri 04-Mar-16 16:10:09

Success at last! Pity she has B'ed off.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 04-Mar-16 16:12:44

grin

Passed an half hour didn't it Elegran?!