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soapsoanelive Mon 29-Feb-16 20:35:47

Help: my daughter fell in love with the son of a self made (200 million pound turnover) millionaire. They fell in love when they were sixteen and it never crossed my mind how complicated that legacy would be in the future.

It did start with the wedding: I thought it was funny that although we had put half towards (one) of the venues, paid for the flowers and (one) of the modes of transport, and paid for the dress, that, apparently, I heard his parents had spent £50,000. It didn't look that expensive, but then, you never know. My partner did the photography and I made a book, a fairy tale of their romance which culminated in their meeting at Glastonbury. I thought how beautiful.

It was sad that apparently when my new son in law took pics of me and my partner and my daughter that for some reason they were overexposed while the photos of his mum and dad bloomed out. At the time it didn't occur to me that the reason rich people are rich is not because they are inherently superior it's that they don't give credit fairly or equally. It didn't occur to me that my new son in law was under massive pressure from his parents.

I began to realise as time went on that they weren't interested in me, they wanted my daughter but it wasn't just that they wanted to alienate her from me. They were always nice: during my daughter's and their son's courtship they'd taken them on holiday, going around the world, I bought little presents, like pocket tour guides for their whole family, thinking how lovely, wanting to participate. When they were in their post graduate time they offered to buy a flat that they could live in: wow I thought, how wonderful, how lovely. When it came to their marriage, before the marriage they said that they wanted to buy a property for them: it would be their gift, a living legacy. They bought a half a million pound house for them: at the time I thought, wow, this is amazing.

But it really isn't amazing. Although my daughter and my son in law are brilliant, clever and accomplished and have good jobs the house that thy've lived in for the past six years still belongs to the company. It hasn't been given to them (yet) and they're kind of living rent free in a property that his mother has controlled since they moved in: repairs, decorating, interior design and furnishing are all 'don't worry yourselves about that: we'll get someone in to do that'. It's a kind of weird control: they don't own the house and the big holidays are all determined by his parents. So they aren't independent and it doesn't look as if they'll ever be independent unless they stand up to his parents. I have gone up to see them every week since my grandson was born, he's now four and it's been so lonely for me: his parents have paid for an expensive nursery (so they can both go back to work-it seemed 'kind' but now I think it's about control). They were both studying for their phds: all was smooth and calm when my son in law completed his: when it came to my daughter completing hers my sister in law decided that urgent house repairs (including scaffolding) needed to be done, decorating re carpettting etc. This has caused real problems between me and my daughter as it seems that it can't be discussed fairly. When she was finishing her phd I helped her with her footnotes and bibliography. It was a massive job and she said 'let's meet up after the viva, just you and I'. We were supposed to meet the following Sunday. What actually happened was that I didn't hear from my daughter until a text message alerting me to the fact that his parents would also be there. It was weird and arriving to meet them I felt that they were trying to prevent us from being alone. My daughter loves her husband with all her heart but actually, he's a brat (very responsible and upright and conforming but terrified of his parents and jealous of my relationship with my daughter because his parents are so invasive). My relationship with my daughter is now false and hypocritical: I love them but I hate the way they're being made to live. I've tried to raise this with my daughter but we always fall out.

Last week was the final straw: I'd gone over (an hour each way on the train plus bus rides, and nursery pick up, as you do). My daughter had put together a hamper for mother's day. I was surprised and pleased until I realised that the mother's day hamper had been put together to buy me off- they were all going skiing the following week and noone had bothered to let me know in advance, even though they'd known for a couple of months. I've always had a strong and direct relationship with my daughter but little by little her husband's family are prioritising their lives (and not needing to demean themselves by offering me the courtesy of letting me know that they wanted to go skiing. I wouldn't have minded: I don't mind but it's the exclusion and the sneakiness that's driving a wedge between my daughter. They have two other children (a daughter who is incredibly bright and who has had a really wild few years before 'settling down' with another millionaire's son (who'd caused her major problems in the past). The other son has learning difficulties and has a girlfriend who also has learning difficulties: he's been posting on facebook about how sad he is because he isn't allowed to take his girlfriend skiing. It's like my relationship is like a servant: a function and I am not permitted to think that our past: the way I buy, cook, think, live bears no relation to the life they live. The problem is it isn't their choice it's defined for them by his parents.

Help! What can I do to make this better?

Alea Tue 01-Mar-16 21:03:00

Wrong "first" - March not April!! grin

Elegran Tue 01-Mar-16 21:44:48

I am sorry, but it is all too complicated for me. I can't see the plot for the soapsuds.

Alea Tue 01-Mar-16 21:48:22

Convoluted indeed, product of a fertile imagination?

Venus Wed 02-Mar-16 18:56:43

I know a bit about what you are experiencing, Soap, and my advice is to let them get on with it, and you will find, in time, that the worm will turn, and your daughter will turn to you more. It's a waiting game, but just be patient. You'll see!

Alea Wed 02-Mar-16 20:14:29

Oh dear, I thought this had dropped off the page sad

Synonymous Wed 02-Mar-16 21:03:52

tigger it is entirely possible. hmm

Alea Wed 02-Mar-16 22:22:17

Venus must be the only one who does .......hmm

Ana Wed 02-Mar-16 22:24:58

It doesn't sound as though the OP's daughter is a worm who might turn - she seems to be perfectly happy in her marriage.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 02-Mar-16 22:38:58

It might have dropped off actives if you hadn't posted again Alea. hmmgrin

Alea Wed 02-Mar-16 23:34:13

Nope, it was back on with Venus's post today at 18.56. So not guilty this time. ?

suzied Thu 03-Mar-16 07:29:55

I don't understand this thread either. Sounds like someone who has taken a bad creative writing course, or maybe has some inferiority complex. Sorry if that's sounds harsh and it's all genuine stream of consciousness. Maybe a psychoanalyst could make sense of it.

sherish Thu 03-Mar-16 08:19:45

Definitely an inferiority complex and a very needy person. She should be happy her daughter is in a marriage that is happy and she is well 'set up'. Would she feel happier if her daughter was married to an out of work drifter with a poor family? Maybe then she would be the superior Granny.

soapsoanelive Thu 03-Mar-16 09:53:54

Alea, Elegran, Venus, Ana, Jinglebellfrocks, suzied and sherish: I thought about your comments and you're right, of course, except that it's probably the situation that I've happily and trustingly accepted for eighteen years without realising that it's having a negative impact on me, what I thought was true and could expect and rely on emotionally, honesty and reciprocity and what was actually happening. Apologies for the bad creative writing.

The truth is really that trying to have a relationship with them is very hard there is 'one way' to live as far as they're concerned and they really demand and expect a lot in return, to the point that there really is no space left for the kind of normal relationship on a week to week or even month to month basis. Actually I feel the more I go over and be a granny the more I become a functionary of what his family have rolled out as the way they live work, eat socialise. I am in that but not allowed to participate, don't want to participate now as I think they feel so much pressure form them that all relationships are reduced to powerful feelings of duty and obligation.

I was really, really fed up about it: I am always wrong unless I do what I'm told to do.

Well I think my life's been worth more than that: the squeaky neediness you see is from someone who has given unequivocally for years and years and who has realised that I have to stand up for myself and what I feel and think. That is important: to be consistent about what I feel and see and experience and back off.

I don't want to see intelligence and effort and energy poured into someone else's life project who really sees me as an irrelevance and not part of the plan. I've tried for yonks to get with the programme, accept their terms and know that I can't take any more of smoothing their pathway through life which may be wrong headed. so I'm really not a needy worm type nor do I think for one second that I'm superior to anyone else but I won't take crap from them and I don't think I should be put down because I put my honest feelings (it was a coincidence that it seemed like a soap: years ago when I first started commenting online (I work in marketing i used to comment on a blog called Bent Society which was set up by some criminologists at Nottingham Trent to talk about the madness that we see around us. As I was interested in architecture and was studying a fantastically interesting architect, self made man, John Soane and I thought of all blogging as having a 'soapy' kind of feel I called myself Soapsoane (like a builder in the virtual world).

What I want is what all mothers want, grans want to be able to grow thorughout their lives and not be cut down by ageism, sexism, class, race etc. So I hope you won't think too harshly of me grans.

FarNorth Thu 03-Mar-16 10:08:19

soapso I've had a quick look to check if you have a grandson or granddaughter, as I couldn't remember. I wasn't able to find that piece of info among the many things you have said in your lengthy posts.
I think that gives a clue that you are focusing on the wrong things.

Give up trying to sort out your DD's relationship with her DH and in-laws, and even her relationship with you as you seem to be getting nowhere with that.

Concentrate on having as good and loving a relationship as you can with your grandchild.

harrigran Thu 03-Mar-16 10:08:33

Still confused

Cherrytree59 Thu 03-Mar-16 10:19:54

Has your daughter been married for 18 Yrs??confused

rosesarered Thu 03-Mar-16 10:20:09

If you feel this way strongly, then cease to be part of it all.There must be some times when you can see either your daughter or DGC without the other parents being there surely?See them less often, but when you can be alone, I take it they are not in a cult? You don't need to be best buds with the MIL and FIL do you? I would try and immerse myself in my own life, and forget about them if they have such a bad effect on you.Your DD has accepted them and their lifestyle.Don't 'act the servant' when you are with them.?

rosesarered Thu 03-Mar-16 10:21:03

Typo, that should be ' don't act as a servant'

rosesarered Thu 03-Mar-16 10:24:29

Wealthy people will often accept their son's choice of wife, and not accept her family as well, I do know a case of this happening.Not worth fighting, if your daughter is happy.Just be there for her in case she becomes unhappy.

Jalima Thu 03-Mar-16 10:37:41

Farnorth, yes, soap must be a gran, she mentioned nursery pickup, perhaps this was a late, unexpected baby as daughter has been married for 18 years, perhaps there are other children too? confused

You say they are 'self-made' millionaires soap - are they so far removed from whence they came that they have lost touch with ordinary lives?

A bit thoughtless of your DD to give you a hamper if you then had to lug it home on more than one bus and train confused again. And why are you struggling to do nursery pickup - can't they afford a nanny?

We are very lucky if the inlaws of our DC are similar to us, often they will not be, but I think the problem is to do with your self-esteem.

Jalima Thu 03-Mar-16 10:42:51

Sorry, Farnorth, misread your post, I see you were asking if DGC is boy or girl blush

Ana Thu 03-Mar-16 10:46:35

From the OP:

I have gone up to see them every week since my grandson was born, he's now four...

Alea Thu 03-Mar-16 10:56:59

I am even more confused now I read that this situation has existed for 18 years(?)
Who on earth would expect to become part of the other in-laws' social circle unless there was a genuine friendship. If you act like a hanger-on there is only one way to go -and that is "Off", didn't that ever occur to you?
And if you are doing the nursery pick up out of the goodness of your heart so that you can have that precious relationship with your DGS then don't moan about being treated like a servant. You can't have it both ways.
You complain that the in-laws aren't interested in you, why should they be? Your SIL married his wife, not you. Your attitude to "rich people" as you see them may be true of this couple, but there are also rich people who have got there by damn hard work or inherited money, but are also socially aware, philanthropic or just nice people, just as there are those from other backgrounds who are mean, selfish and conniving. Read some of the posts under the "Cut out of their lives" threads to find out how some Gransnetters have been alienated from their children and DGC in very different circumstances. I am afraid I am hearing a mother who sadly cannot come to terms with her daughter growing up and away and losing the role she played in her daughter's life. It is time for a new role a different relationship. However you try to dress it up as a class awareness campaign or being a "seeker" ! oh,how I hear the inner Mrs Bennett!!

obieone Thu 03-Mar-16 10:57:34

If she is a writer, she is bad at it, so I dont think she is and I give her the benefit of the doubt.

[I am a bit perturbed by posters who think that if their DD is set up financially then that makes all other things ok]

I am not sure in all of this whether you have said if your DD is happy or not.
Though I still take on board your point about values.

obieone Thu 03-Mar-16 10:59:18

Now seen Ana's post.