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Matador gored to death

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NanKate Mon 11-Jul-16 21:17:25

I have not one jot of sorrow for the matador who was gored to death in Spain on Saturday. This was broadcast on live tv.

If you stick blades into a bull and cause it untold pain what can you expect. I hope the bull was put down humanely, but I have my doubts.

Stop thus cruel sport NOW.

Elegran Mon 18-Jul-16 09:51:21

I've had a look for facts about tail-docking legislation. It is illegal in England and Wales, except for certain breeds, and totally banned in Scotland. "In England, the puppies must be one of the following listed breeds: HPR breed of any type or combination; spaniel of any type or combination of type; terriers of any type or combination of type.

However, in Wales, combinations of breeds (ie. cross breeds) cannot be docked, only the individual pure breeds. Furthermore, in Scotland, tail docking is completely banned, without exception"


"the vet will ask you to sign a statement declaring the dog whose tail is to be docked will be used for one of the following: a) law enforcement; b) activities of HM Armed Forces; c) emergency rescue; d) lawful pest control; e) the lawful shooting of animals." (and evidence shown) That is, dogs working in conditions where a luxuriant tail is likely to be in danger, much as long flowing hair is a danger to humans working near machinery.

The operation must be done within five days of birth before the nervous system is fully developed.

The legislation is at UK Tail Docking legislation as at May 2007

Elegran Mon 18-Jul-16 09:32:43

I've never seen a dog with its tail docked, watermeadow so it must be more common where you are. You should report all cases that you know of to the RSPCA or the police, so that the law CAN be upheld. If it is not reported, they don't know to follow it up.

watermeadow Sun 17-Jul-16 18:59:05

Killing for fun is barbaric.
So is mutilating puppies by cutting off their tails. It's been illegal for 25 years but is still commonly done, like fox hunting, but there is no attempt at upholding the law.

Lisalou Sat 16-Jul-16 07:22:05

I also detest this "sport", for lack of a better word. I live in Catalonia (north east of Spain) and am happy to say that bullfighting was banned in this are by local government, as it was before in Canary Islands in the nineties.
I would really love to see it disappear totally, but cannot see this happening in Madrid or Andalucia (south of Spain) it is just too popular and unfortunately, gives work to a great many people.
Thing is, culling is not an issue, as these animals are bred specifically for the sport, great bloodlines are sought after in breeding programs and it moves tons of money.

Smileless2012 Wed 13-Jul-16 18:59:47

Like so many of you, I've no sympathy for the matador. The torture of those magnificent beasts is abhorrent. They are injured to make the matadors 'job' of killing them easier.

As for his family, well yes it's terrible to lose a loved one but I wouldn't condone any member of my family indulging in such a sadistic 'sport'.

I didn't know that Riverwalk but now I do, it makes bullfighting all the more repulsive, not that it wasn't repulsive anyway.

GandTea Tue 12-Jul-16 18:17:17

If they want to fight bulls there should be a level playing field as in Course camarguaise in France. The bulls are the heroes and are revered. The matadors are the prey (and IMO bloody stupid)

Riverwalk Tue 12-Jul-16 18:06:18

Of course very sad for the young man and his family but it was his choice.

It's not like it's a 'fair' fight - the bull is stabbed in the neck with metal spikes before the matador takes him on.

And I didn't know until recently that a winning bull who injures the matador doesn't even live to fight another day or get a reprieve - they are immediately slaughtered.

All a bit sick, particularly as it's entertainment and an arena for a young man to show his 'bravery'.

Spangles1963 Tue 12-Jul-16 17:40:02

I don't care whether it is that country's tradition or custom,it is still barbaric. I feel a little sorry for his wife,but NO sympathy for him at all. You reap what you sow. You dish it out,you have to be able to take it back. He must have known the risks. Frankly,he got no less than he deserved.

petra Tue 12-Jul-16 17:32:02

The Spanish are prosecuting everyone who tweets, Facebook offensive language.

Elegran Tue 12-Jul-16 17:14:52

I don't think foxes know the difference between a pampered free-range chicken and a pigeon. Both are food - if they can catch it, they will. In the fox world, all food is fair game and belongs to the first creature to swallow it.

Anniebach Tue 12-Jul-16 17:13:15

All foxes would kill chickens , it's natural instinct

granjura Tue 12-Jul-16 17:06:32

Of course - So a good idea to have expert advice on proper protection to deter them- so they go hunting vermin instead of chickens. Poor husbandry is the fox's best friend. (as I know, I lost our chickens when I forgot to close the chicken house one night- MY fault).

breeze Tue 12-Jul-16 17:04:48

No sympathy for him. Some sympathy for his family. And utter disgust at blood sports. To kill/torture an animal for sport is cruel and revolting. I could say more but it upsets me too much.

merlotgran Tue 12-Jul-16 16:54:48

As a country girl I know that all foxes have the same instincts.

granjura Tue 12-Jul-16 16:51:35

One which has decided to take free range chickens rather than hunt for other foods which are more difficult to get. As a country girl, I'm sure you know that.

However, in Geneva, they wouldn't cull first- they would discuss how to take every sensible measure to protect the chickens and deter the fox first.

ginny Tue 12-Jul-16 16:41:01

Feel sorry for his family but it was a chance he took. I can't understand why anyone would enjoy watching it.

merlotgran Tue 12-Jul-16 16:37:20

What's a rogue fox?

granjura Tue 12-Jul-16 16:21:17

Moi aussi. For quite some time now, the Geneva area have banned all hunting in the region. They have a professional team of ecological experts who are top trained in the use of arms and who know every cm2 of the area- and most of the animals and herds. If there is a need for culling, be it a rogue fox, an injured animal or RTA, or older deer, or if there are too many, causing too much tree damage, etc- then they assess the situation and deal with it quickly and humanely. The way forward.

soop Tue 12-Jul-16 14:06:20

ditto Nelliem

Nelliemoser Tue 12-Jul-16 14:00:43

Well there you go. The revenge of the Bull.

I detest these blood sports. If you have to cull a population of animals that are overbreeding in a particular area and possibly damaging their environment and the eco system, and this can easily happen, then cull them humanely. Don't make a party of the event.

nightowl Tue 12-Jul-16 13:52:22

The meat from bulls killed in the bullring is used, so nothing is wasted Kittensandknitting. And I think the Matadors would say they have great respect for the bulls they kill. It's all a load of crap, just sheer cruelty whatever the blood sport and whichever the culture practising it.

sunseeker Tue 12-Jul-16 13:33:24

Nandalot I would assume the bull's father was probably killed in the bullring. It's true many Spaniards are against this "sport" but somehow it still continues. I'm a country girl but am against all blood sports. Killing for fun is what psychopaths do.

AllieGB Tue 12-Jul-16 10:43:19

apparently only 19% of 18-65 y olds support it... think it's high time this barbaric 'custom' was consigned to the history books

KittensandKnittings Tue 12-Jul-16 10:13:10

Annie if here in England tourturing an animal was considered a custom or culture then absolutely 100% I would not be defending it, I am also sure they are a great deal of Spanish people who do not defend it either.

I don't fully approve of deer hunting, as there is an element of suffering (arguments to be had if more or less than a chicken or sheep for example in certain abattoirs) but the difference is that someone who hunts a deer does not do it just for sport, there is a sport element to it which is what bothers me greatly but every time I've spoken to someone about it who actually has partaken there has always been a huge amount of respect for the animal, before and after its death in that every single part of the animal that can be used is used.

I doubt anything from this animal is used or its mother, it's just a butchering of a animal in a disgraceful way for glory, and that is not very "glorious" at all in my opinion

Anniebach Tue 12-Jul-16 10:11:11

I know not all support blood sports Greenfinch but they are legal. Some in Spain do not support bull fighting but it's legal