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AIBU to expect the shop to close ?

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Izzywizzy Thu 18-May-17 18:44:12

It was business as usual at our local supermarket but as I walked in I sensed all was not well. I decided to go and get a coffee and as I was paying I commented on things not feeling right. She replied by telling me that a man had just died and that the staff were upset.

I then realised that what I had been looking at was a make shift 'screen' around the poor man. The screen looked like box sides opened up so we couldn't see him but it was only about knee high.

The man had been there for an hour she said and during this time shoppers did their shopping with most of them having to push their trolley very close by him to leave the shop.

I felt quite upset knowing this man was just feet away from me as I supped my coffee and decided to leave the store.

What I would like to know is AIBU to expect the shop to close for an hour or so while the shop waited for the undertakers to arrive ? Surely this man deserved some dignity and the staff also needed some time to get over what they had just witnessed ?

maddy629 Sun 21-May-17 07:48:59

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

maddy629 Sun 21-May-17 07:48:59

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

maddy629 Sun 21-May-17 07:48:59

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

maddy629 Sun 21-May-17 07:49:00

Thank you for the info MawBroon.

bionicwoman Sun 21-May-17 10:21:34

Oh dear - does no-one read previous posts?
Let me summarise the truth about sudden deaths as I know exactly what I'm talking about (see my comment 3 pages back).
1. Paramedics can certify life extinct. No need for a doctor.
2. There is no such thing as a police mortuary. Bodies go to the local hospital for PM if necessary. If the death is suspicious the PM is carried out by an authorised Home Office pathologist - a specialist in such matters - at the hospital.
3. If the police have attended (which they will have) the body can be moved if not suspicious.
4. Bodies are not usually removed by ambulances, but there are, of course, exceptions e.g. if someone had dropped dead outside a school.
5. There is a list of undertakers used by police for removing bodies. Because long ago there was corruption in the 1960s, with officers taking payment to call out certain UTs, since then the list is revolved at the Control Room, so the 'next on the list' is called out.
6. Shutting a supermarket for a non-emergency, however distasteful you might find it, is not really an option. Nothing to do with profit, just asking a lot of people to exit a store for an indefinite period which blocks up the car park or other refuge with people still arriving is a nightmare. It's bad enough when there's a genuine emergency!
7. There will not necessarily be a post mortem if the man's own doctor is prepared to sign the death certificate as to cause e.g. serious heart condition, doctor had seen him less than two weeks before for that condition, death is consistent with that condition.
8. I am not callous; like most people I find death sad and I treat bodies with respect. However, having a nice, clean dead body near me would not bother me in the slightest, having dealt with all sorts of suicides, accidents, road traffic collisions and long dead bodies in my time. I am immured, not callous.
Does that answer everybody's questions and set a few uniformed comments to rest?

Nelliemoser Sun 21-May-17 23:34:24

I do now see "Bionicwomans" point about the chaos for potential visitors driving up to the supermarkets. It would be dreadful.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 21-May-17 23:58:18

? Ive actually read the posts, people do not have sudden death protocols written into their contracts working in tesco or wherever. It would have been great if the isles were cordoned off but no one really knows what to do!

thatbags Mon 22-May-17 06:11:48

Good post, bionic. To quote Ben Shapiro in support: "Facts don't care about your feelings".

It's the blaming in the OP of a supermarket doing what supermarkets do that I object to and the subsequent wimpering about upset feelings. We should own our own feelings that nobody else has caused, just events, facts, life. I'm not objecting to the feelings, just their being blamed on something other than a straightforward event that we just have to deal with. The expectation that we should be shielded from reality is silly. People die.

And if you think supermarkets are beyond the civilised pail of necessary shopping and ordinary everyday capitalism that makes the world go round (check out Yuval Noah Harari for explanation), then you shouldn't be in a supermarket.

GadaboutGran Mon 22-May-17 09:19:30

I always feel very humbled & privileged to be there or near someone who is dying or recently died. You can also be respectful of them according to your own beliefs, such as offer a prayer or in silence or meditate on their life & send positive thoughts to the people they leave behind - you can even raise your cup of coffee to them. You can also offer supportive words to the staff. If nothing else ponder your own mortality & how you live life. For whom the bell tolls? It tolls for thee. Is that what the upset is really about?
It is much better to be affected by the death than feel nothing but there are useful things you can do with these feelings rather than focus on your own upset. The worst is when people complain to staff about sections or whole places being closed because of an unexpected incident. I've worked with staff who could eventually get their heads around an armed raid or murder in their shop/café but not the customers who complained they couldn't finish their meal or purchase, though shock does make people behave strangely.