Rehousing issue for Grenfell Towers survivors

It's a good programme. The landlords all seem to be genuinely shocked at the state of the places. Seems like they were good at managing the properties themselves but, once they employed staff to do it and withdrew themselves a bit, things were just not done. I think the landlords learned a lot including how much they appreciate good tenants. That Trescothick man was lovely as was the Indian family.

Trescothick??? What is wrong with this phone! Its Tesco!

There again, I suppose only 'good' landlords would agree to appear on the programme, so not a fair representation.

The two young chaps living 100 miles away realised the difficulties that caused.

I'm not going to argue who gets the better deal from the bin man Primrose . I live in one of the poorest and most deprived areas in the U.K. And yet our council taxes are some of the highest ????

Gillybob, I expect someone else will be better informed than I am but, it's my understanding that the poorer council areas had a greater proportion of money from central government deducted in the austerity cuts, than wealthier boroughs. I live in a deprived area if the north west where our council have been forced to make cuts to front line services as a result.

gillybob I obviously didn't make my point about economies of scale very well!

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/08/grenfell-fire-british-moroccans-hit-hard-rehousing-decisions

Lots of answers here to some questions about the residents of Grenfell.

Interesting article, djen.

There are similarities to those housed in the banlieues of Paris. The problem as I see it, is that they fall between two cultures and most of us don't really understand what they came from and why.

Why should we need to understand them to help them?

Don't get uppity!
I'm just saying there's a lack of understanding which has now gone on over 50 - 60 years in both France and the UK. Many Moroccans are now 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, but still they remain poorer relations.

I think a lot of the criticism of the response by various agencies has been that they don't understand the needs of the different communities. A greater understanding can only lead to a more appropriate and sensitive solution to be found.

Agreed Primrose . An understanding, or awareness, of what has caused or contributed to different communities problems can only assist in helping to resolve them. It's the ongoing failure to understand that has caused the rifts between differing cultures and communities across Europe. Somewhat blinkered to believe that help can be given in any situation if you don't understand what has caused the problem and what needs to be done to resolve it.

Except that there are basic needs that are common to all communities. A safe place to live being one of them. You don't need any understanding of any culture to appreciate that.
I would imagine most of the remarks made about the Moroccans have been made about immigrant communities throughout history. The Jews, the Indians, the Pakistanis, they have all settled and integrated to one degree or another.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/seizure-of-empty-homes-falls-to-record-low/

Shows the problems involved with empty homes.

"In London the picture last year was even more dire. Council seizures of empty homes in the capital fell to zero in 2016 despite latest figures showing 19,845 homes sitting empty for more than six months over the year.

Only seven of the 32 London boroughs have made any applications for EDMOs at all in 11 years.

The only boroughs to have made applications are: Lewisham, Bromley, Hounslow, Kensington & Chelsea, Hammersmith & Fulham, Havering and Barking & Dagenham.

Kensington & Chelsea – scene of the Grenfell fire – had the highest number of empty homes (1,399) of any London borough last year and has made just one application since 2006."

I think the problem is that more than half of the EDMOs fail.

Well, as only seven boroughs have made any applications in 11 years, it's not much of a problem, is it?

Perhaps if they made more, they would be taken more seriously.

"The minimal use of Empty Dwelling Management Orders (EDMOs) since then comes despite 137 being granted, compared with 208 applications in total."

That looks like more than half being granted. It's actually over 65%; May would love to have that advantage in a vote.

As would Corbyn!

I have no idea why they're not used, however, less than 50% have been successful in London, so even when they have been tried, the most likely outcome is failure.

So they forget about them do they?
That's ridiculous. They should ask for more.

But they don't seem to work durhamjen. If they worked, I'm sure they would be used.
It's not as though there are councils using them and making them work - they're all failing. That makes me think whatever the legal issues are, these don't address them.

These are supposed to be the new affordable rents in London for the year. No wonder that cleaner can't afford to feed her children occasionally.

She will get housing benefit on top of her salary.....

Arethese prices for social housing or private renting do you know durhamjen

If private, i would go for the six bed property and take in lodgers!!!! lol