Gay Pride ad a new 'equality gap'?

If you gift your home to the NT you must be aware that there will be people going round it and arguably therefore you have opened what was your private life to the general public. I don't know if he would have wanted people to know he was gay or not, I suspect that things have changed so much since he died 48 years ago that his views would be very different now. If I disagreed with something the NT had done I wouldn't choose to show my disagreement by not wearing a symbol that is important to a section of the community that have been historically victimised.

Criminal attacks are something else entirely Eglantine. I do hope your brother makes a good recovery and the assailant is caught and punished.

I was thinking about the stupid things people say. When I was a child (in the 1950s/early 60s,) if we met anyone who said anything to suggest women were not capable of doing any particular endeavour, my mother would, if possible, express surprise at their attitude at the time and laugh about their old fashioned, set in stone attitudes after they left.

If he had "outed" himself he would have been imprisoned.

No surprises therefore that he was a private person.

I realise that I am swimming against the tide here so probably time to shut up, but find this whole sorry affair intensly uncomfortable. My last word on the subject.

Just what I was going to say, whitewave.
His family say he wanted to keep his sexuality private; he had to keep it private as it was against the law until two years before he died.

Perhaps if he'd lived longer, he would have been more open about it.

Makes you wonder if his family are ashamed of it.

Roses recent studies indicate that around 40% of hetrosexuals engage or have engaged in anal sex. So it's very likely to be similar in gay relationships given that many don't wish to have anal sex.

It was Annie who brought, as she calls it, buggery into the conversation. From what she has said she equates homosexuality with buggery - a relationship based on nothing more than sex and, in particular, anal sex... nothing more.

I find this level of misinformation staggering.

Good to see the police joining in the fun at Brighton Pride, whitewave.

From what I said ? , homophobics equates homosexuality with buggery , just where did I say I was homophobic ?

Oriel, I find your deliberate twisting of my posts staggering.

Hardly something I would have done a survey on Oriel...
I have read that it's done a lot in African countries, to stop unwanted pregnancy.
So, are you talking 40% of the UK population, and what percentage of those are British? Or the world as a whole?
I find it staggering that anyone would really want to do it anyway, gay or straight.

A lot of virtue signalling going on here from some Annieb not to mention twisting of posts or wilful misunderstanding.

Annie did not say that, Oriel. If you read her post properly, she's saying that while she herself has no problem with homosexuality, some people cannot see beyond the sex aspect, i.e. anal sex.

dj they always do - the police get involved that is. There are of course some gay policemen and women. We haven't gone this year but it is always a super day out for all the family. It is extraordinarily popular and gets heaving with people.

I thought it was still illegal between a man and a woman? Just as a point of interest

Well, yes it is, but who's going to join a protest or put their name to a petition to get that law changed ?

I do find some of this thread a tad prurient. Not sure it matters a jot what goes on behind closed doors, or who is taking part. I never look at anyone and wonder what sort of sexual activities they take part in- that is just plain weird.

I thought you said before that it was your last word on the subject ww

That was before dj joined in and ww remembered what a jolly super day out Gay Pride was...

Do you know, sometimes I can't help it

Illtellhim. See my previous post. It's not illegal. Repealed in 1994.

I wonder if you are a new/old poster illtellhim...... seem to know your posting style.

Has anyone seen Grace and Frankie on Netflix?

Love it!!

whitewave why do you find this thread/subject intensely uncomfortable?

Thank you for your kind thoughts Monica, but it as some years ago now and my brother never recovered. He was partially sighted and brain damaged to the end of his life. He was not taking part in any sexual act when he was attacked but was simply different and was attacked by people who had known him since childhood. Because it was considered acceptable to reject him and to verbally taunt him there came a day when it escalated into something more.
By accepting that it is ok to speak contemptously of someone for who they are I think we open the door to other behaviours. But obviously I have a personal viewpoint here.

I believe anal and oral sex is practised in many countries and by different types of couples. It is not really that unusual. It is not exclusively an expression of sexual love / lust for gay men. It really is nobody elses business how two consenting adults choose to behave in private. It is , I believe, everybody's business that people are not discriminated against because of their sexuality. I am saddened to know that there are still so many people who do think less of a person because of their sexual orientation.

I agree that if you gift you home to the NT it stands to reason people will be going round and have some insight into your private life but I doubt there would be anything to see that would have shown he was gay trisher.

Why does it make you wonder if his family are ashamed of his sexuality dj? We have no idea if he were alive today if he would have wanted to make his personal life public, he may have chosen not too. There are plenty, particularly those in the public eye who sadly don't want their sexuality known, because they fear a backlash.

monica not for reasons your question implies. But if I pursue your question, the thread police will take great pleasure in making it personal. So I would rather not answer if you don't mind, as I am trying to avoid the thread police.

whitewave I wasn't implying anything in my question, just curious. I do however absolutely agree with you on the problem of the thread police.

Going back to a very early posy of mine on this thread, I did refer to the thread police being like the Saudi Arabian Religious police, stamping down on prejudice wherever they decide they saw it.

I console myself with the thought that 100 years from now, our age will be condemned for the way it tried to force everyone to think one way and harassed and silenced those who had a different view. Rather as the Victorians are condemned for their persecution of those who were not heterosexual.