Gay Pride ad a new 'equality gap'?

The reasons given by some of the volunteers was the "outing" of the original owner of the house they felt he would have wanted his sexuality kept private.
Of course volunteers are entirely free to refuse to wear something in the course of their activities they feel inappropriate. But equally the organisation they are volunteering for has the right to then put them in a supportive role where they will not meet the public.
As for many of the reasons given for not wearing the rainbow badge they illustrate that no matter how far we have come in the rights of the LGHBT community there are still those who think it's not quite acceptable.
Annie
We cannot force people to accept homosexuality , marches will not change opinions, neither will lecturing people .
Tell that to the suffragettes, the Jarrow marchers, Civil rights marchers, Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King, in fact anyone who has spoken or marched in the cause of freedom and equality.

Well for many heterosexuality is only about sex so I don't quite follow what you're saying there. Sex is only ok if it involves love? I would think the love/sex equation is about equal for heterosexuals and homosexuals so I don't get your point.

Imperfect, I think you have made your point perfectly. Particularly your last paragraph re 'an openly hetero day'. I do agree that marches and flag waving proclaiming ones sexuality seems strange to many people. Why would anyone want to?

It smacks of attention seeking to some of us......

Because for years they have had to live in the shadows Blinko
Wherever have all you reactionary people been? Have you not listened to the horror stories on the Beeb? Do you not care that there are still people who have lived with condemnation and discrimination all their lives? Wear the Rainbow badge for them, to acknowledge that you recognise the way they were treated was wrong, to show young people that they will be supported whatever their sexuality and to show that in future everyone will be free to live as they choose whatever their sexuality.
And as far as I know there isn't anyone around who has been imprisoned or beaten up because they were heterosexual, so do they really need to be 'recognised'?

Trisher, I don't think we are reactionary. We accept that there are many, varied and various approaches to sexuality and that's absolutely fine. Accepting, not reactionary. But no marches and flag waving, please.

You may not think you are reactionaryBlinko
Definition reactionary denotes "a movement towards the reversal of an existing tendency or state" and a "return to a previous condition of affairs."
Gay Pride is here. Gay marches are allowed. The Rainbow badge is a symbol of their right to be treated equally.
If you don't approve you are reactionary!

Trisher, you seem to ignore one fact, sex, marching to support sexual rights is so different to marching against apartheid . I have no problem with homosexuality but I accept people do because it is not love and companionship which come to mind but buggery , to some unatural sexual behaviour equals homosexuality

Oh dear. You really have no understanding Annie of what a homosexual relationship is. It is just the same as a heterosexual relationship. Just the same.

It isn't "unnatural" Annieand for all your expressions of beliefs in freedoms and equality it seems that you are hung up on what may or may not happen between consenting male adults. I don't know if all gay men are into buggery. I don't care if they are. It isn't illegal and discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation is the same as any other discrimination- it is WRONG!
I wonder how you stand on lesbian sex? Or are you like Queen Victoria and believe it isn't possible- which is the only reason lesbianism remained legal (no-one wanted to explain to her what they did!!!)
Someone may be born female, someone may be born black, someone may be born gay. It is as simple and natural as that. They all deserve the right to be treated equally.

What Annie calls buggery takes place in many heterosexual relationships, And doesn't take place in many homosexual relationships. I not sure why it's such an enormous thing for her and why she has to keep bringing it up.

I thought it was still illegal between a man and a woman? Just as a point of interest.

Religion and the bible I suspect Eglantine19. The root of so many of society's problems

Really Ana? I'm must google it!

With a nod to trisher 's reference to Queen V's sensibilities I wonder if Annie 's hangup about buggery means that in a very simplistic way she is more willing to accept lesbians.

Well that was interesting. All buggery laws were repealed in 1994. But before that they had actually got themselves in a right tangle because of imprecise wording in the Victorian Laws. I'm afraid some might find the detail offensive so I won't post it here. I had no idea it was a hanging offence!

Trisher, try this - I DO NOT CARE what happens between consenting adults, I AM NOT hung up on buggery or sex in any way or position, GOT IT?

I am just saying how people who have a problem with homosexuality think .

You compare marching to support gay rights with marching against apartheid .

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that it is SEX which is the major issue in homophobia .

I just like to keep talking about it eh Annie? It reminds me of someone I used to work with back in the sixties who would read the News of the World from cover to cover and then come into work and need to talk about it all week saying disgusting, disgusting. But the need was hers, not ours.

Annie anal sex is just as likely to be enjoyed in the hetrosexual community as it is in the gay community.

Why do you think that homosexuality is defined by the act of sex? Would you hold the same views of hetrosexual couples engaging in anal sex?

I remember watching a documentary where Stephen Fry was discussing homosexuality with some African leader (can't recall his name). The African guy kept going on at length about anal sex - he called an anus 'anoos' . Stephen Fry was really patient and measured in his tone, despite the ranting of the African. Stephen said that he had never had anal sex and would be horrified by the idea.

just as likely Oriel..... I don't think so.
Some posters are totalling misunderstanding ab's posts in any case, she is one of the least judgmental people on GN on , where kindness is an issue.

This is all about the NT and imposing views on workers, which I hear that they have now backed down on.Good!

Imperfect the mere fact that you felt a need to be transparent about your views, says it all. If we took sexuality, of whatever kind for granted, you would not feel the need to be transparent.

Penstemmon I disagree with almost everything you say in your post except the first sentence. How can you, with a straight face address a mainly female audience and talk about ^People who have not been marginalised....... cannot understand. We are women, for heaven's sake, of course we understand marginalisation.

Personally, I get fed up with the constant song and dance every time a women reaches a senior level and the same for other minorities. Real equality arises when no one thinks twice about having a female/gay/transsexual Prime Minister. The Irish have managed to do it with out too much fuss, as have we with our second female Prime Minister.

Let us assume all people take other people as being equal and just make a fuss and laugh at them when they don't.

IMO the Trust's desire for volunteers to wear gay pride badges is secondary and less important than the fact that Ketton-Cremer's personal life has been made very public.

A NT spokesman is reported as having said "The people we interviewed were clear we weren't "outing" him, as among those who knew him it was widely accepted". Well, making details of his personal life known to those who didn't know him is IMO "outing" him.

Three of his god children have spoken out against the NT's decision who I think at the very least should have been consulted. He gifted his home to the NT not details of his private life.

It's a bit hard to laugh when your brother is in a hospital bed having his face put back together, Monica.

In Scotland 4 out of 6 party leaders are gay or Lesbian,its not something people really bother about ,as one guy I know said Why the hell should I worry about what they do behind closed doors ,they give me enough to worry about when the open their mouths .I do think that there has been a vast improvement in attitudes over the past couple of decades here.I worked in an industry where gay people were quite the norm ,in our office of 14 people at least 5 were openly gay or lesbian ..and this was the seventies .I just never thought about it and I still dont .I dont remember anyone being worried about sharing a darkroom with a gay photographer ....lets face it just because they were gay didn't mean they would jump anyone available ,in fact most of them were far more fussy about who thay saw than the straight guys or girls .

Thank you Roses, I now believe they know what I mean they are just taking the oppertunity to mock.