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To think that GN should not share threads with Twitter & Facebook

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Leticia Tue 14-Nov-17 17:45:37

I think that this is completely wrong. Gransnet forums should be helping people and I can't see a reason for putting it elsewhere. If someone starts a thread what possible benefit can they get from people commenting on other sites when they don't even know it is there? If they wanted advice on Twitter or Facebook surely they would ask the question on those sites.
I replied to a recent one on books that deal with death for children. My first reply, mindful of where it would be read, was simply to give the book title and author. On reflection it didn't seem particularly helpful when it is a situation where I have had personal experience so I did a few more posts that I felt were more helpful. It was for people on GN, on that particular thread.
I then find that it is on Twitter with 19.1K followers and retweeted twice and on Facebook, followed by more than 13,000.
Why?
If they feel the need why not edit and make their own article? They could put 'gransnetters advise' rather than just lifting the whole thread.
Do the majority of gransnetters know where the threads go and that everyone can read them? I do not follow on Twitter to read them- neither do I follow or 'like' on Facebook and yet I can see them all.
It inhibits me. I had put in a plea not to use the one about death- it was ignored so my only option is not to offer personal advice in future.

merlotgran Wed 15-Nov-17 15:37:10

shock shock

Does it often happen?

LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 15-Nov-17 15:24:49

I should also add that if ever we suspect a thread has been started by a journalist, and can confirm that, we do delete and give short shrift!

LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 15-Nov-17 15:22:28

Hi all, just wanting to clear a couple of things up:

Leticia - as you know, the forum is an open one and anyone (including journalists) can read - and lift - the threads. With that in mind, creating a secret forum space away from journalists wouldn't really work, as there's nothing to stop them signing up as a member and accessing that space as well.

As we have mentioned (and as it's written in our Gransnet welcome here www.gransnet.com/forums) this is - and always has been - an open forum that anyone can see either by typing in our web address or googling and so forth. When we share threads on social media we never include usernames and try not to share anything that may be too identifying. We are simply, as someone has already pointed out here, sharing a link to the thread to encourage other Gransnet followers on those channels to come and join the discussion on the site. This does not make these threads any more 'open' than any other. Any visitor to the site can read any thread they like.

To clear up who sees the posts on Facebook: if you have liked the Gransnet Facebook page, you may well see our posts in your newsfeed on Facebook, the same as you would see them if you were to look through the 'Active' section on the forums.

If you are on Facebook, but have not liked the Gransnet page, you would need to search for and click on it in order to see our posts (unless someone you are friends with happened to share one). Gransnet's Facebook posts are not served to people who have never liked or followed our page - again, unless they are shared by a friend of theirs who does (follow us).

M0nica Wed 15-Nov-17 15:06:30

It is not about sharing confidential information, or at least it isn't for me, but some threads about difficult family matters, even if the OP and her/his circumstances are unidentifiable are made for a small forum where many of the responders know each other and are online friends and write in an intimate and friendly way. Albeit the forum and its posts are open to other people who
choose to visit it.

Seeing these threads on twitter and Facebook has an uncomfortable air of voyeurism about it and diminishes both the distress of the OP and the comfort offered by GN members.

Bluebelle The Daily Mail can dip into our forum whether GN give consent or not. All it needs to do is dip into this open forum. I suspect that they have a staff member who does just that and is probably signed up so that they can sometimes start topics to get our responses, hoping for what they would consider 'traditional conservative(small c) reactionary responses'. Although they may have given that up as that is not what they got.

BlueBelle Wed 15-Nov-17 14:43:32

So Largransnet you are basically telling us to stop supporting sharing and caring for each other Yes we can talk about comfy shoes or jam making Would that be better for your sharing threads ??? I m afraid this is not being taken seriously by GN and it needs to be I personally don’t want to keep changing my name this is what I want .....either
A) a private page that doesn’t get shared
B) permission of the thread owner for it to be shared
or C) a separate FB / Twitter group that DOES NOT lift our threads but start their own
Lastly I am most annoyed that our words are given/ sold to the Daily Mail that is very wrong and of course it’s GNHQ s fault who else’s is it Of course anyone in the public can read our words but you do not expect them to be lifted completely to other media

gillybob Wed 15-Nov-17 14:34:38

If you search for GN on FB it comes up. I am not on FB so its there for anyone to read whether or not they are on GN or FB.

I assume HQ must've put the link there Lucky.

Luckygirl Wed 15-Nov-17 14:29:06

Are we assuming that GNHQ puts these threads on twitter and fb? Presumably anyone could do it. I am not on either, so have not seen them - are they put there in the name of Gransnet?

gillybob Wed 15-Nov-17 14:28:17

I wish you were right Bathsheba ..... but FarNorth is spot on. I am not on FB (never have been, never will be) and yet I have successfully opened the link and there it is for all to see. angry and sad

Pittcity Wed 15-Nov-17 14:21:12

But anybody can read a thread on here too, whether a member or not.

Fennel Wed 15-Nov-17 13:28:03

As others have said, we've all been alerted to this for some time. Probably everything posted on the internet at once becomes potential public property. ie can be reposted elsewhere.
That's why I changed my user name not long ago.
It's not GNHQ's fault.

Jane10 Wed 15-Nov-17 12:28:17

So every time we might share personal information it could be transmitted on to Twitter and Facebook and all GN suggests is changing names. This leaves a very sour taste. angry

FarNorth Wed 15-Nov-17 12:21:07

the only people on FB who would see the link are people who have joined the GN page on FB,

That's not correct.
I have not 'liked' or 'followed' GN on facebook but I can see all the posts if I look at it.
Anyone who does a facebook search for a subject like 'grandparents' or 'retirement' might find GN as one of the results of that search.
GN might also be suggested, by facebook, to people who have already looked at other pages on similar subjects.

Oldwoman70 Wed 15-Nov-17 12:02:35

Actually if someone makes a comment on the FB link, that comment is then open for anyone who is linked to their page, which in turn is open to anyone linked to those pages and so on. I fully understand GNHQ is a business but don't understand why we cannot have a section open only to members and guaranteed not to be shared on FB, Twitter etc.

Bathsheba Wed 15-Nov-17 11:50:42

gillybob perhaps you could go to the thread in question and report your post, asking for GNHQ to delete it as it contains personal and identifiable information. At least then it won't continue to be seen by people visiting the link via FB. And remember, the only people on FB who would see the link are people who have joined the GN page on FB, so that may narrow it down a little - not quite the whole world seeing it.
So sorry this has happened - I really do think it's thoughtless - almost cruel - of GN to link to some of these very personal and sensitive threads.

gillybob Wed 15-Nov-17 11:21:52

I am extremely disappointed to learn that a very personal account of how we helped my grandchildren cope with my mums (fairly recent) death is now on FB (I am not a member) for the world to see. Anyone who knows me will recognize my very personal account and I am very upset about it. I would like it removed but realise that it's probably too late for that now.

Oldwoman70 Wed 15-Nov-17 11:19:01

Lara As I have asked before would it not be possible to have a section which can only be accessed by members and which will be guaranteed not to be shared by GNHQ. People would then feel comfortable in posting asking for help with specific matters

LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 15-Nov-17 11:05:47

Hello, we're aware this issue came up recently and it's the reason we're looking into the logistics of name-changing. It is a public forum and yes, we do share links to threads we think could be useful or start a conversation with a wider community. But we would also advise users to be careful in sharing too much sensitive information regardless of whether or not it goes on social media.

Bathsheba Wed 15-Nov-17 09:54:02

Pittcity I was just about to say that. Those of you who think GN should delete the usernames if they're putting whole threads on FB or Twitter are not fully understanding what is being done. They are not "putting threads elsewhere", they are putting links to threads elsewhere. Which amounts to the same thing, of course, but it's not just a simple matter of 'doctoring' the thread before it's published elsewhere.
I remember the brouhaha back in August when Grannyknot started that thread, and frankly I'm amazed that there are still people popping up here that were unaware this was happening. It was GK's thread that prompted me to leave GN in August. I returned recently but am much more careful how I post - and I was much more careful with my choice of username! Absolutely nothing about it that could be identified with me!

Pittcity Wed 15-Nov-17 09:12:17

Gransnet put links to these threads on Facebook etc. They simply lead you to these forums. It's just the equivalent of putting up an advertising poster and is to get new members and advertisers interested.

Auntieflo Wed 15-Nov-17 09:06:01

This is just horrible. So, if I don't 'do' FB and/or Twitter, my words can be cast around for all to read, and I would be none the wiser?

Leticia Wed 15-Nov-17 08:50:24

There are two different things here- people need to be aware that this site is public- anyone at all can read it without even logging in. Journalists will read it and I don't think they can be stopped.- once you have put it on it is in the public domain.
The part that I object to is GN actually putting threads elsewhere so that thousands more see them and can comment without it being of the slightest use to the OP who doesn't see them. On FB and Twitter I have my name and photo therefore I am careful what I post. I have neither on GN and so can give personal information. If I wished to put it on other sites I would do so in the first place.

Leticia Wed 15-Nov-17 08:45:06

I know Grannyknot - I am fairly sure I was on that thread. It has rumbled on since then and I thought we were getting somewhere with the name change poll but almost a fortnight and not even a comment from GNHQ, never mind a decision.
I started this because I have got to the point where I shall leave GN if they continue doing it.
There are lots of accounts they can follow on Twitter that are age relevant. I find it odd that they never picked up on #nomorewrinklyhands and the stereotyping of the elderly. The campaign is against the lazy picture they put on the Grandma dying thread.

Grannyknot Wed 15-Nov-17 08:05:38

I caused a stramash** smile about this same subject back in August:

www.gransnet.com/forums/chat/1239569-GNHQ-please-make-it-clear-that-these-forums-are-public

**I also love that word, is it pronounced as in "ash" or "mush"? I love rolling an "r".

mcem Tue 14-Nov-17 23:01:52

Feel free Chewbacca !
I've always thought it was common only in Scotland but it was used by a very formal political commentator during a bulletin today.
That's probably why it was in my mind.

Chewbacca Tue 14-Nov-17 22:53:18

Completely irrelevant but I do love the word "stramash"! Beautifully descriptive word. Thanks mcem, I might borrow that one.