To intellectual to be understood.?

Thanks Lemongrove , that’s a relief, I was getting worried that I had lost the plot?

It wasn’t just you Bridgeit ?

Her mannerisms were distracting, that's the word.
Coupled with a seeming inability to listen to anyone's point of view or believe that they could have a point it was extremely irritating and offputting, therefore her message failed to come through clearly.

Yes definitely Jalima1108, I really wanted to follow what she was saying but it was a bit difficult and distracting , which is why I was interested to know if others felt the same or if it was just me.

If that woman had managed to put her points across in a calm and reasoned manner it may have been easier to understand her arguments.
Having watched part of the debate I found her irritating, jumpy, probably as you say, Bridgeit, passionate in her views, but trying to follow her points was difficult because of the way she delivered them. She also interrupted and talked across others who were trying to put forward their views. An annoying trait, as it could make listeners less inclined to be sympathetic to any valid points she may have.

In fact, a poor communicator although she is, I think, a university lecturer.

Since the beginning of time facial expressions & body language have been a vital part of how humans understand & communicate with each another.Take that away , and ones understanding of another is limited.

Brilliant MawBroon,that’s exactly it, but apparently not if the delivery is not to another’s liking.

Well!
WTH was all that meant to illustrate?
One person found somebody hard to understand , another didn’t. Wow!

Forum = a medium where ideas & views on a particular issue can be Exchanged, ‘exchanged ‘as in written or expressed by an individual in their own given way.
It is the topic that is up for discussion

Debate = a formal legislative discussion in a public meeting usually ending in a vote.

My understanding is that Gransnet is the former , not the later. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

Oh yes there is!! sorry, joking..

If one of the bickering pair do not respond, that is the end of their fairly tedious exchange. When I find myself on a thread with another poster, constantly arguing with me. I just drop out of it and occasionally come back when they have got bored with getting no response and have also moved on.

There is no victory in having the last word, especially when it is at the expense of spoiling the thread for everybody else.

I have been replying to the opening post - the discussion point raised - not attacking anyone personally although I am not sure you will ever understand the difference Lemon.

I disagreed with her and so did others. This is not a "Chat" thread and it is reasonable to think that 'Am I being unreasonable" is inviting a discussion not a cup of coffee and a gentle nod at a friend who may be wrong but is not asking if you think differently. There is a difference between opinion and certain knowledge. If you just want to take an opinion out without the expectation of challenge go on a 'chat thread'. If you ask 'Am I being unreasonable' expect someone may say yes and explain why.

If you do ask the question don't attack those who give their time to answer you, it is far more disrespectful than answering a question, in an area for discussion, with facts and the thinking behind them.

Ahh thanks for posts Lemongrove,I have tried & failed to explain to GG,that her pedantic attitude to mine & others comments & opinions is somewhat rude & school ma’am ish & defeats the object of an Opinions site, & at times takes over & spoils a thread, but well you know how it is , the lady is not for turning !?

Having watched this programme now, I understand exactly what Bridgeit means.
Being succinct and clear in meaning is a must for any question and answer type of public speaking.

GGM2.......just stop for Heavens sake!
Has Bridgeit annoyed you on any thread perchance? ?
Everybody is entitled to an opinion even if it is wrong in
your or anybody elses eyes.

Yes Some people need public speaking lessons despite being very clever

Bridgeit don't you realise you are describing your posts? What ever made you feel so superior to others I wonder?

Please GG , for the sake of this thread & in the interest of other posters , give it up , it is very boring , non productive & frankly quite sad.

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Your last sentence was not a repetition of what I said Bridgeit and the idea that I was resorting to petty point scoring is risible in the extreme after your posts.

Your last sentence was "Although it is desirable to contain some factual background about a topic ,an opinion is not truth or logic it’s an opinion, & I am entitled to mine."

I do not agree. Shall I repeat that. I do not agree. I somewhat agree with the Harlan Ellison who said "You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." No one can stop anyone holding an opinion in their head which, I assume, is why so many believe they are entitled to "their" opinion. Voice it and we are entitled to expect an intelligent discussion not the expectation from you that we will accept what you say simply because you believe your opinion is a truth.

You clearly did not read my last sentence GG, but if you do you will see that you have actually repeated what I had said.I notice you posted late at night so maybe you were a bit tired & missed it. It is a shame that you always revert to petty point scoring instead of making any valid points of interest I’m afraid it it is becoming very boring , certainly to me & no doubt to others.

It is a problem that some, many, specialisms in science, technology, politics, and philosophy are too difficult for lay people. This problem is why Richard Dawkins has, for instance , been charged with the public understanding of science as a special service that focuses on communication.

When I'm on one of the several discussion sites which I visit I sometimes like to pick upon one point of contention and answer that one in isolation.

You may laugh Bridgit but all you have proved is the level of your own "intellect" and your ability to be rude if you don't get your own way.

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That is simply a load of rubbish Bridgeit.

I said you did not understand the women concerned because you said you did not understand the women. I said you mentioned others who did not understand her either because you said others did not understand her either. I said you did not say who they were because you did not say who they were.

Your OP asked if "one can be too intellectual to be understood". I put forward the argument that intellect and communication are two different things. One does not influence or limit the other. Others agreed. Others also agreed that they understood the women in your example perfectly easily. I then pointed out that logically your point was not made and your example did not support it as others found her perfectly easy to understand.

So, where did I read your mind or interpret something other than what you said. You put forward a proposition, a question. You say I don't understand the concept of opinion. What I do understand is that everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, if you voice that opinion in public you are also entitled to have it challenged. If you hold an opinion it does not make it a truth. It certainly doesn't mean anyone else has to treat it as if it is the truth. If you have started to believe that your opinion is the truth even when it isn't, simply because you "are entitled to your opinion" then you are wrong. If you do not want to be told the truth do not ask for a discussion of your opinion.