Moaning Leavers, an explanation

"I was also proud of the role Britain had within the EU."

Care to enlighten us Momof3 ? What exactly was that role? Banker?

Our role was a subservient one, as illustrated famously by Cameron just before the referendum, who was not able to negotiate any concessions at all with Brussels.

He was ignored and powerless. I found that quite frightening and not a good indication of a strong Britain. We were being swallowed up and things had come to a head.

That was NOT reassuring and I felt proud that by having a referendum the people could decide whether we wanted that bondage to continue or not. We were able to decide whether we wanted to give billions of taxpayers money every year to an institution which treated us as both its obedient poodle and its cash cow.

Those same feelings have since emerged in countries all over Europe, just in case you hadn't noticed.

We re in the sxxx and people talk about ‘bumps’ along the road what blooming euphemism is that

I worry about the far right and it’s extension in the world, at least within a bigger group we had more strength to fight it
We had a lot of good things come out of being a member of the EU and we were always the troublesome member who was not a good team player

The people didn’t decide Day6 so not sure what you are proud of, a minority of the population (a small majority of voters) decided, built on the lies of a number of hypocrites namely Farage and Johnson and that has ruined the country for at least another two generations
Not much to be proud of for your grandchildren

Nigel Farage is returning to front line politics. Fantastic news.

Our role was a subservient one, as illustrated famously by Cameron just before the referendum, who was not able to negotiate any concessions at all with Brussels.

You have said this time and time again over the past 2 years, Day6, and it is just not true. It is not true that the UK had no influence in the EU nor is it true that DC got no concessions from the EU in 2016. He got us a permanent opt out from joining the euro and from 'ever closer' political union. Plus concessions on welfare payments to EU workers.
I'd be interested to know what you'd expected him to get...

As for 'no influence' in general, I've often posted a thread detailing the areas where we had great influence (including the creation of the Single Market). I can only assume that you've chosen to ignore it.

Constantly repeating untruths doesn't make them true, though I appreciate that they influence people who don't bother, or care, to find out the truth. It certainly worked for you.

I'd post links but I'm abroad and only using my phone, which doesn't have them bookmarked.

JenniferEccles
Over £9,000,000 spent on the leaflet.

MaizieD
There is no doubt that the UK did have a 'secondary' influential role within the EU, secondary to Germany and France, and being one of the largest nett contributor to this organisation this should be the case, however, as the EU has grown country allegiances have changed. Funding streams have been redirected and now even Scotland who is probably still considered a deprived area has become a nett contributor to the EU rather than a recipient.
The ability to negotiate on behalf of our initiatives is diminishing because the funding is now going mainly to Eastern Europe.
Do we continue to allow our own infrastrucure to continue to degrade whilst supporting the development of initiatives of no benefit to us? Well maybe yes to some degree, however if this degredation continues at an increasing pace and calls for extra funding increase and loss of influence begins to increase with intransigence when these issues are discussed isnt it time to re-evaluate our future.
Difficult decisions may require short term disruption.

And any talk of cheating is clutching at STRAWS

Rubbish. It's absolutely true that Vote Leave cheated. The fact that Leavers seem to be contemptuous of the law, even though they made a huge fuss about repatriating lawmaking from the EU to the UK, speaks volumes. Why bother about who makes our laws if you think it's perfectly OK to break them if they inconvenience you?

And to think that Leavers complain that Remained won't 'get behind Brexit'. Who, in their right mind, wants to get behind a load of cheats and liars?

Is that all your own work, Joelsnan?

Can we get away from the cheating scenario, it will change nothing and it occurred on both sides.

MaizieD
Is that all your own work, Joelsnan?
Why do you ask?

Once we, foolishly, joined this CLUB those of us with any sense knew it would be nigh impossible to leave. As it has proved. Germany and France run it. What did we win WW2 for? It was set up in the name of peace. So let Germany run it and keep them happy.

It is not true that the UK had no influence in the EU nor is it true that DC got no concessions from the EU in 2016. He got us a permanent opt out from joining the euro and from 'ever closer' political union.

Oh wow. Big deal - not! And who is clutching at straws now MaisieD

We'd long been against the Euro and the pot had been angrily boiling over for sometime regarding 'ever closer political union'. It wasn't wanted. Hence the referendum.

Before the referendum there was much unrest and dissatisfaction with the EU lest you forget. Given the Euro had proved to be a disaster long before 2016 the 'no euro' sop was just plain common sense and hardly worth mentioning. Only a fool would have adopted the Euro at that time.

^The structure of the euro insists upon the most difficult, the method with the greatest human suffering, way of adapting economies to such asymmetric shocks. Which is, of course, why it is a disaster. For inflicting human misery isn't notably thought of as being a desirable object of public policy - rather the opposite in fact, alleviating it is.

Yep, it's a disaster. And it doesn't in fact need four Nobel Laureates to tell us either. It's as plain as the nose on my face that it is - and thus the sooner it collapses the better. Hopefully along with that system that brought it into being, the EU itself

www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/09/11/the-euro-is-a-disaster-stiglitz-krugman-milton-friedman-and-james-tobin-agree/#2cc436b96063

Day6
Thanks for putting that link up.
I read that article some time ago. It's so good that I go back to it to read again.
Anyone in doubt about how good/bad the euro is, should read this link.
Be warned! It might make your blood pressure rise!!

Yes, Petra I read it a while ago too, to gain knowledge because I was becoming more and more troubled about our position in the EU and the way the Euro as a currency was faring. It opened my eyes to the way in which economic fluctuations in EU member states can affect us all adversely.

Ok why at the beginning of the last world wide recession which was caused by world banks mainly in America lending too much money to risky borrowers. Why were the exchange rates not altered too avoid the recession.

Currently the euro is doing far better than the pound.

The countries in the EU that are currently complying have benefit massively from EU money that has rebuilt their infrastructure following communism.

Poland is currently booming with British and American companies moving sections of their businesses over there mainly because of the standard of academic/technical education, level of English spoken and most importantly the average salary is around half of the U.K.’s. However it has a unsustainable welfare system, the cost of food and drink is cheap. However clothes, toys and cars are more expensive. There is also a massive rich poor divide with regular appeals from families unable to afford medication. The health system is awful, there are long waits and the hospitals make the NHS look luxurious. Drs and Nurses are leaving in their doves due to poor wages and working conditions.
Unless UK workers lose half their pay and the cost of living plummets the U.K. can not compete with countries like Poland.

Italy has had a huge economic problem with the southern half of the country for decades.

The Greek crisis was caused by their unsustainable welfare system, huge borrowing.

Hungary’s leader talks tough but most people are ok with the EU and they benefit massively from subsidies.

The the reason why people still are debating Brexit is because we live in a democracy. We have a general election every four years the losers don’t just shut up because “the people have spoken” 16.9 million people voted to stay in the EU. They are entitled to have a say on the Brexit deal and how negotiations are heading. This is what the veterans of world war 2 fought for over 6 years. Several veterans have spoken out about their wish that Britain remains in the EU or as now Brexit is happening at least a good close working relationship with Europe.

David Davis himself has said the majority of EU legislation will have to be adopted in to UK law because otherwise the country would come to a standstill.

Today, believe it or not, BBC Radio 4 actually reported some brexit news which was not, as it has always been to date, rampantly pro-brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bfx4vs (starts about 7 minutes in)

I listen a lot to R4, but this is the first time in the last three years I have ever heard the Remain case given a fair hearing. (OK I may have missed something, but all I have ever heard is brexit taken as a fete accomplis, and any sense from the remain side "balanced" by rubbish and lies from the brexiters). Is something beginning to change?

Let’s hope so Varian.

The idea of a People’s Vote seems to getting a lot of interest in the media and some high profile backing.

The fact that Nigel Farage feels the need to promote Brexit again means he feels that the whole idea of Brexit is under threat. Otherwise why would he be organising a new “Leave” campaign complete with battle bus?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/19/nigel-farage-return-peoples-vote-ukip?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Nigel Farage is the worse type of idiot, as this nhs dr clearly shows

inktank.fi/doctor-shreds-nigel-farage-for-calling-medical-association-a-disgrace-for-brexit-warning/

Never read as much nonsense as that article Monof3 - and who are you to call Nigel Frage 'the worst type of idiot'? To all committed Leavers, we know he is the person we owe our forthcoming freedom to.

Sorry about typos - so angry that you are insulting Nigel.

I wouldn’t get too upset on his behalf.

According to the radio today, Nigel has had a hunch
can't remember what his hunch was about, something to do with a poll and the Government getting an enormous shock as a result.
I was waiting for an Aretha Franklin song to come on.

?he seems to have a few of them,look where the last one got us !

Beau :
To all committed Leavers, we know he (Farage) is the person we owe our forthcoming freedom to.

I think you are putting a lot of faith in a corrupt politician (he was fined £35000 recently) who has made millions from his EU MEP’s salary yet doesn’t bother to attend votes in the EU Parliament. In fact he actively disrupts EU proceedings. The Leave campaign in which he was involved has been proved to be corrupt and make fraudulent claims.

The “forthcoming freedom” to which you pin your hopes will benefit City traders such as Farage, Mogg, Philip May, who are all likely to make millions from Brexit. Perhaps you are a super wealthy city trader yourself planning to make a fortune?

The economic outlook for the poorest in Britain is rather more gloomy - many will lose their jobs, prices are certain to rocket, the pound is likely to plunge, shortages of food and medical supplies are expected. And of course the doctors you strongly disparage in your post, will struggle to keep the NHS afloat because of staff shortages.