Moaning Leavers, an explanation

Front-line nhs doctor tells it like it is.
Farage (worst type of idiot) who'll bring to pass our forthcoming freedom!I
Ignore the doctor who talks nonsense!
To think that anyone actually believes his cheating lies are acceptable, is absolutely ridiculous. Mind you it lets us see the level of gullibility shown by his supporters.

It's unbelievable to me that some STILL fall for the nonsense doom and gloom scenario peddled by the Remain camp.

But here is all is, still being spouted as facts 'prices will rocket, the pound will plunge, food shortages, job losses, and on and on ad infinitum.

It's daft scaremongering. Our country is thriving, the economy is strong, there is very low unemployment and there is every reason to think things will continue in this way.

For goodness sake, have some faith and optimism folks!

JenniferEccles
Sadly there are those who never see more than a half empty glass. And conversely to the Monty Python song "Always look on the bleak side of life"

These positive aspects of Britain have come about while we are in the EU: surely things are more likely to change after the massive upheaval of leaving the EU rather than remain the same?

Well I'm sure there will be a period of adjustment, but the fact that we are a wealthy country doing just fine will hopefully see us through.

Of course I have to say hopefully. I don't know for certain. No-one does despite all the dire predictions being declared as facts from some quarters.

I think our positive aspects have come about despite being in the EU, not because we are.

On the other hand this economic news from the Guardian Jennifereccles.

UK economy posts worst quarterly GDP figures for five years
Growth slumps to 0.1% on weak business investment and household spending

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/25/uk-economy-posts-worst-quarterly-gdp-figures-for-five-years?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Businesses are leaving the U.K. or moving some of their production abroad because of Brexit uncertainties.
So the future post-Brexit looks difficult for manufacturing.

Even before the referendum the leading Brexit supporting economist (there aren’t many economists who like Brexit) thought Brexit would lead to the collapse of manufacturing.

North East business and political leaders have hit out at a Brexit-supporting economist after he admitted leaving the EU would “mostly eliminate manufacturing”.

Professor Patrick Minford has been accused of “sacrificing jobs and livelihoods in the region” after saying an exit from Europe would leave Britain “mainly” with industries such as design and marketing.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mps-react-after-vote-leave-11269819

Why, oh why, did these folk in the NE ever think that brexit could ever improve their lot?

OK, they might have wanted to protest against David Cameron and his dreadful government, but how could they ever have been persuaded to shoot themselves in the foot?

Did they actually believe the big lie on the bus? Were they misled by the right-wing tabloids?

I just hope that if these poor folk get the chance to vote on "the deal" which would make them worse off, or "no deal" which would be utterly catastrophic, they will have the sense to see that the best alternative is to vote to remain in the EU.

They thought that ANY change must be for the better, varian That is a measure of how fed up they were - still are - with their situation. The EU has been blamed by successive governments for every unpopular decision since we joined. Is it any wonder that many people saw a chance to "get out from under" and voted to take it? Get out of the frying pan you know and risk the fire that you think/hope will be better?

Out of the frying pan into the fire is a very apt analogy, Elegran

It has been well established that the leading Brexiters, especially Box-Office Boris, lied their way right through the campaign and thoroughly misled people, contributing to an outbreak of buyer’s remorse.

But it is also obvious that there are many older people who manifest not an iota of remorse about the chaos they have helped to create, not least for their grandchildren.

They should be ashamed of themselves, and, just because George Osborne has gone and with him so has that “emergency budget”, they should beware of deriving solace from the belief that all those Remain stories were exaggerated. For it is becoming increasingly evident, from analysis at the Bank of England and the even more respected Institute for Fiscal Studies, that the economy is in the process of taking a huge hit from Brexit.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/21/leavers-brexit-ashamed-harm-yet-to-come

An application to join the Conservative Party by Leave.EU co-founder and former UKIP donor Arron Banks has been turned down, the Tories have said. Mr Banks and the pro-Brexit group's communications director, Andy Wigmore, both announced on social media that they were joining the party.

The pair said they had received a confirmation email welcoming them. But a Conservative Party spokesperson later said their "applications for membership... have not been approved". Earlier this week Mr Banks called on supporters of his pro-Brexit Leave.EU group to join the Conservative Party so they can vote in the party's next leadership election.

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-45290206?__twitter_impression=true

It seems that at least some people in the Conservative party have suddenly woken up to the fact that our democracy, and their party, have been subverted by people who wish this country harm.Rather late in the day but at last they have opened their eyes to the danger.

For goodness sake varian are you really suggesting that all of those who were behind the Brexit campaign and all those who voted to leave the EU wished our country harm?

Why on earth do you persist in trying to take the moral high ground on behalf of those who voted to remain? You keep going on about democracy while simultaneously seeking to overturn the majority vote to leave the EU.

Varian does not speak for my, I can assure you Smileless
Nor others I know who voted remain.

me - sorry!

Varian, by whom has it been established that the remain supporting groups were lying? You make huge sweeping statements and have absolutely no facts to back then up. Your shrill and absurd generalisations are completely inaccurate. It may interest you to knos that the South West of England voted to leave not just the North East. A hysterical remaining Lib Dib me thinks

I do not suggest for a minute that all those who voted leave wish our country harm, but there is no doubt that Mr Putin's support of brexit was part of a strategy to destabilise the west and the foreign billionaires who control much of our media, like the owners of Cambridge Analytica who manipulated Facebook data to exert influence in favour of leave, do not neccesarily have our best interests at heart.

A majority of voters in the South West want a ‘people’s vote’ on Brexit, a new survey has revealed. The YouGov poll findings come as fears of a no-deal Brexit pushed the Sterling to its lowest level in almost a year. The survey of 1,000 people living in the South West found most want:

- a say on any final Brexit deal negotiated by the government (42 vs 35 per cent)
- a new referendum if talks break down and the UK has to choose between staying in the EU or leaving without a deal (47 vs 27 per cent).

Crucially, 51 per cent now support staying in the EU, whereas most voted to leave in the 2016 referendum.

Peter Kellner, former president of YouGov, said: “This poll is the first significant test of public opinion in the South West on Brexit since the referendum and shows that attitudes are beginning to shift.

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/south-west-brexit-vote-bath-1876881

Good! as I posted on another thread

from March:

The four most recent readings - taken by BMG Research and Survation between November and January - have, on average, once the 8% who said "don't know" are left to one side, put Remain on 52% and Leave on 48%.

John Curtice
Professor of Politics at Strathclyde University

varian here is a link to the referendum results across the 12 local authorities in the northeast.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/eu-referendum-results-how-north-11518256.amp

As you will see if you bother to read it, although the overall result was ‘leave’, a sizeable proportion of the population voted ‘remain’.
Just like the rest of Britain, in fact.
So please don’t make sweeping generalisations about us, don’t blame us for Brexit, and lastly have you any idea how patronising you sound when you refer to us as ‘these poor folk’?

We have 3 universities up here and guess what? Some people from the northeast even go to them!

I used to live in the North East of England janeainsworth and I know it very well. I worked in one of these fine universities, teaching brilliant students, many of whom were local, and I would never for a moment suggest that folk in the NE are responsible for brexit.

However, there is no doubt that parts of the NE, and other areas like South Wales, have never recovered from the loss of the heavy industries which have gone since the Thatcher era.

There has not been adequate investment in replacing them with alternative employment and training and in the areas of post-industrial dereliction there are people who quite rightly felt "left behind". These folk were preyed upon by the right-wing tabloids and the liars of the Leave campaign who somehow persuaded them that their deprivation was the fault of the EU and not of successive UK governments.

Let us just hope that enough of these folk are now waking up to the fact they were conned and any kind of brexit, but particularly a "no-deal" brexit will leave them even worse off.

When the "deal" and its consequenses are spelled out, these folk, and the rest of us should be able to decide whether that is what we want, or whether we should admit that we are better remaining in the EU.

A majority of voters in the South West want a ‘people’s vote’ on Brexit, a new survey has revealed.
The survey of 1,000 people living in the South West found most want

I never realised that there are so few of us living in the South West that 1,000 is a majority.
It has always felt rather more crowded than that - perhaps it's all the grockles.

No-one asked my opinion.

Surveys of 1000 people, if properly randomised, can give a very accurate reflection of the relevant population.

If only more folk actually studied basic statistics.

If only polls were conducted with a wider and more random section of the population.

and since when has Bath and NE Somerset been in the South West?