1st class,Rights,Equalit y,& Discrimination?

I would say that lower income families have less choice, and are able to offer their children less choice.
Then we have the whole issue about what people do with the choices they have.

Annieb I wish there was one I could come up with. I'm waiting for one of the political parties to find the way to greater equality. So far, not so good, I'm afraid.

You seem to be confusing "equality"with "options". For most of us living in a first world country, there is equality of opportunity. We can expect to have a good education, health care, a safe home .

We also have the option to pay more for a higher level of service , a better experience than the norm, if we want to . So if we choose we can opt to pay for those 1st class tickets or to stay in the high quality hotel. That has nothing to do with equality, and everything to do with the choice to buy something more expensive if you want to spend your money on it .

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I have never envied anyone the things they've worked to achieve...actually I've never envied anyone anything.We've worked our socks off all our lives and have the things we consider important,a happy family and a nice home.We're not into holidays or expensive new cars ,or jewellery or handbags etc etc etc.So to many I'm sure we appear quite boring .
Isn't it down to peace of mind? Money cant buy happiness or equality but it sure as hell stops you being up all night worrying about the bills.So is true equality money related?

Oh course not Blinko a child born into poverty will never have the same head start or chances in life as a child born into wealth and prosperity . Nothing at all to do With choices made much later .

Children who come from dysfunctional families can't expect to have a safe home, to have access to education, and so on.
They start with a disadvantage.
Some overcome, some can't.

Is there difference between I equality and unfairness? I think so.
It is unfair that some people are disabled by illness.
It is an inquality if a access to help for the disability is only available to specific groups.

I don't think that communism is any more a route to contentment for all than is capitalism.
The societies that have less crime and higher levels of education and employment are those where the wealth gap between richest and poorest is small. We should be working towards that.

It can’t happen PECS, working on a supermarket till or stacking shelves is not going to earn as much as a doctor, accountant, lawyer etc or even nearly as much.

And the O/P post spoke of best seats at venues and 1st class travel

Gillybob, I think that's the point I was trying to make. Those born to wealth and security will have choices in life. Those born to poverty will not.

Life is unfair ( nothing to be done about that) but as a society we can have free education, free healthcare and money for those who need it because they cannot work for any reason.We do have those things in place.

We can also have equality in the workplace which should be the case, but isn’t always.
We do have equal rights in law, a Lord who commits murder will be treated the same as a gardener.

Oops sorry Blinko wires crossed . I think we agree with each other .

then there are some of us who think "Lords" and "Kings and Queens" are part of the problem ....giving people titles that make them seem superior to others is a medieval concept that has no place in the 21st century ..Seeing Mrs May grovelling on her knees before "prince" William is cringeworthy in the extreme ..what kind of message does it send out? Certainly not equality !

Exaggerating Paddyann, May was not on her knees, and even is she was would this cause dysfunctional families , neglected children, women and children abandoned by the male, cause children to fail exams, high housing rents.

I saw that “curtesy” by Mrs May to Willy on the news yesterday . It was shocking . She grovelled so low she may as well have knelt before him . I agree with paddyann there is no place for this in modern society.

And if it stopped gilly your problems would be sorted?

We should have equality and fairness.
As MawBroon says:
“All are equal, but some are more equal than others”

But we should also have choice.

Perhaps we all need to re-read Animal Farm.

Perhaps she just wanted to demonstrate that she still has flexible knees at age 61!

Seems if the Windsors were disposed of as were The Romanov family we would be living in utopia as the Russians have since

Do you think that William was gallantly helping her up again?
Perhaps her knees locked like mine do.

Of course not Annie that’s just silly . But to see a woman of her standing, maturity and stature grovelling like that just makes me angry . Why oh why does anyone (let alone the PM ) feel the need to curtsey to the members of this family ?

I don’t think they should be disposed of (that’s a bit drastic) just phased out and made to work for a living .

With you again on that one Gilly!

annie it happens in some countries so not sure why we could not work to reduce (not all be paid the same!) the gap between richest/poorest. As posted up thread Scotland has increased taxes for the most wealthy to fund services to benefit the most needy. I call that socialism.

Scotland has to no poor PECS ? All seats in their theatres cost the same, all hotel rooms cost the same? No food banks, no homeless ?