1st class,Rights,Equalit y,& Discrimination?

Meanwhile a house in Kensington worth £millions pays less council tax than a house in Nottingham worth £150,000 ? Oh we’re definitely all equal . Not.

Do you have a car Gilly? I can’t afford one, do I care? No. Do you own your house ? I don’t, life is so unfair isn’t it, Do i spend all day thinking what others have that I do not “ no.

Well said Anniebach.
I have woken up in a bed, with a roof over my head and the assured prospect of enough food for today.
For all three things, I am profoundly grateful. Actually four if you include the waking up.
We do take so much for granted .

It’s nothing to do with what you have or don’t have Annie . Are you deliberately trying to make me look like a twisted jealous person just because I think society is greatly unfair ?

It’s not about having a car ( yes I do btw ) I need it to run around after grandchildren and do school runs at opposite ends of the town , to look after elderly family members, take them shopping , attend hospital regularly and get to and from work . It’s a 13 reg.

Barclays Bank own my house as my rather large business O/D is secured on it .

Same for me Maw, I realy do not care who pays what for a house, i don’t care how many holidays people take, what car they drive, I have what I have, i am thankful i don’t sit dwelling on what others have , envy equals unhappiness.

And neither do I believe it or not Annie (as long as they’re all paid for honestly that is) . It’s the sheer inequality that bugs me . Those who think we all start out the same , have the same opportunities in life when we absolutely do not .

For me, as a middle class home owner with a car, it is not about all being equal or jealous.. I have a very comfortable existence..well the usual ups & downs that can befall anyone rich, poor or inbetween, but I wonder if it is right that a very few people have enormous wealth..that they just "have" ..impossible to spend it all... when others, maybe through serendipity and not fault or poor choices end up with very little. It would only take a few changes to taxation to adjust this. There would still be a range but just not so wide!

Gilly, how do you know those who live in Kensington do not earn their money honestly ?

I live in a national park, my true home is in a South Wales valley, houses here are triple the cost of houses in that valley.

Where did I say that Annie for goodness sake ? Please read what I said again . I only used Kensington in the example of huge inequality in council tax . Nothing else!

Equality in Britain has never been about the distribution of wealth. In that, since 2010 that provision has been firmly entrenched in the Equality Act which replaced and encompassed much other discrimination legislation such as that concerning age, disability, gender, marriage & civil partnership, pregnancy & maternity, race, religion or belief, sexual orientation and Fairness at Work.

The Equalities Act also made it unlawful to treat someone less favourably because they work part-time or are on a fixed term contract. In that, the act was one of the most comprehensive pieces of legislation passed by the UK Parliament in my view since the Health & Safety at Work Act came into being in 1974.

Therefore and without doubt, the introduction of the above legislation brought to the UK an equal opportunity for any person no matter what their gender, race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or age the ability to make the most of the life skills they possess or gain throughout life, in equal opportunity with all others.

In that, what wealth that brings to anyone in that equality of opportunity is entirely for them to concern themselves with, and that's the way it should be.

Brought in by the Blair/Brown government

I agree with your post grandad1943

I think no matter what circumstances you are born into, with free education, healthcare and the safety net of the welfare system, people have choices.

If you are from an impoverished family, you can work your socks off at school, learn as much as you can to give yourself a stepping stone out of poverty.

Quote anniebach [I agree with your post grandad1943]

Well, anniebach there has to be a first for everything. I think that we are even agreeing over on the Brexit threads at times now.

To think Brexit bringing people to agree. Now, that really has to be a first.

Grandad1943 , Anniebach I agree with you both.

A ceasefire grandad1943 ?

GrannyGravy, my grandson has worked so hard, went to a comprehensive, then on to university, a first in economics, a very good job, will soon sit his charted accountancy exams , he is 26, has just put in an offer for his first property, he had a supportive mother, has a supportive father, a carpenter, and a supportive grannie ! But he did the work , years of studying . His sister has just graduated this year , starts work with a legal firm next week and will continue with studies , the third starts university this year, all achieved through years of study and determination and encouragement

Anniebach I think you summed the situation up with one word - determination.

Hats off to your Grandchildren x

Agree Mawbroon about equality of access to housing, health services and education.

Just because we think Equality isn’t happening, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try for it, surely?

GrannyGravy, it is so sad for children who are not given encouragement, parents who will not even attend school parents evenings , even so, some children do make it .

Agree Anniebach, I have always been a parent helper at my children's primary schools. Have friends who are teachers, and they echo your post.

There are a lot of good teachers out there who notice their pupils home life and do their best to encourage them.

Some who are slower learners may not be able to achieve these high-flying careers and high salaries however hard they may try - but whatever job they may do is essential for the smooth running of our society.
Therefore, access to reasonably priced decent housing, health services and education for their families is essential.

Agree Jalimall08 everyone has a place in society, and all help the wheels turn round.

You are right Sparkly when you say "Just because we think Equality isn’t happening, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try for it, surely?"

I believe we should look at any policy change in that way and ask "will this change make our society fairer or less fair?, more equal or more unequal?".

There is such a double standard. Conservatives believe in low taxation, especially for the very rich. They talk about incentives to work harder. Apparently you incentivise the rich by making them richer, and the poor by making them poorer.

I was talking to a Mum this morning who is pleased her son has completed his apprenticeship and has employment with a local building firm. It isn’t academic achievement that is important it is to achieve what one sets out to achieve.

Health care is available to all, education too. Housing isn’t

^ Housing isn’t^
We need more of that - strange really, that there is a lack because wherever we go there seem to be more and more houses being built.

Not social housing Jalima, yet you are right houses are being built and sold